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1. jamo November 13th, 2008 5:31 pm :

   I agree with everything you said! I have seen shows where they have figured out that someone has set something up on purpose and they have figured it out. If it was fake then I am 100% sure they had no idea. I truly trust everything I have seen on Ghost Hunters and will forever continue to watch it!

   I may also add I am new to this site and I am very impressed

2. Fiona Broome November 15th, 2008 8:45 am :

   “Fear Turtles,” we’ll have to agree to disagree.

   I won’t bother arguing the complexities of setting up the jacket as you seem to describe. I’m not sure if you’re saying that Grant tugged his own collar, or what. (I’ve read less convoluted descriptions in double-blind test descriptions in M.I.T. theses.)

   However, you’re talking about a string, and there is no way that they concealed a string extending back from Grant.

   Further, the angle of the tug on the collar would necessitate a string on the outside of the jacket, which we would see as a shadow, at the very least.

   I’m also not clear about the hand issue. I’m technically right handed but — like many artists (and Grant is an artist, as well) — I am nearly ambidextrous. So, if someone were to study which hand I use in a stressful environment — and in nearly complete darkness — they might leap to some wild conclusions as well.

   Have you met Grant, and spent hours talking with him? Do you know him well?

   From your comment, I doubt it. Anyone who has met Grant usually realizes, within minutes, that he’s as straightforward and honest as it gets.

   I’d stake my reputation on that and, by making this post, I guess that I have.

3. Fiona Broome November 15th, 2008 8:50 am :

   Thanks, jamo! The skeptics seem to be all over this rumor, but I have yet to see an hoax explanation that makes sense to me.

   Like you, I trust Jason and Grant completely.

   Also, in another forum, a friend told me that he’d once heard a ghostly voice as clear as the one on the show. He’s not a ghost hunter. He’s one of those people who rarely talk about ghosts, and I didn’t even know that he believed in them… until he told me his startling story.

   So, I’m more of a believer that the voice in the Halloween 2008 show could have been a ghost’s.

   Thanks again for your comment!

4. Fiona Broome November 15th, 2008 8:59 am :

   A comment by “Fear Turtles” vanished after I posted my reply. I’m not sure if that was a glitch with the software, or if “Fear Turtles” deleted it.

   In case it was the former, here’s exactly what he/she said, copied from the website’s cache of the comment:

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   If you looked at the Jacket pull with only the hopes of finding a string, or fishingline. You have failed to understand the movement of the Jacket. Let me explain. A force moves the top edge of the collar downward. This causes the back side of the collar to be pushed back. So if a string where used it would have to be attached on the inside of the collar. Now this jacket has a liner. The string or what ever is ran inbetween the liner and the outer jacket. Now the fact that the collar does bulg out during this combind with the backwards movement of Grant give the illusion that it is being tugged backwards. Now because we can’t see the string we need to understand what it would look like if something was to grab Grants collar and hold or tub backwards. I say hold because Grant was moving so all we need is something to hold the collar stopping it from moveing with Grant. If this were to have happened Grants Jacket would have move in such a manner where the front would have moved up and over his shoulder This doesn’t happen.

   Other event that are good indicators of this being a hoax is the fact that Grant pulled his collar up 1.5 minutes before the tug. You also see him fiddling with something with his right had at the base of his jacket. During this whole chain of events we never see him move his hand from the bottom edge of his jacket. This is extra interesting because I beleave he is Right handed. He was holding a recoder in his left hand at the time. And when the tug takes place he uses the left hand to readjust his collar. When he gets pulled backwards he fails to use his right arm to regain his balance. That is very unnatural.
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5. dhakhair November 15th, 2008 2:15 pm :

   Fiona, so glad I stumbled onto this site. You are right on about Jay and Grant. I don’t know them at all personally, but watching many episodes repeatedly you get the feeling they would rather die than be frauds.

   Also, in terms of the apparatus-in-the-coat theory, I believe grant is carrying some device in his right hand or pocket and hence favors his left hand at that moment. Perhaps it is the remote control for the expensive and completely silent mechanism they rigged up hoping it would look real on live TV… gimme a break…

   I agree completely. Certain people enjoy believing in things, but like them to be vague enough to brush off when their head hits the pillow each night. Keep up the good work and attitude.

6. Rich November 15th, 2008 5:23 pm :

   Fiona.
   I watch Ghost Hunters every chance I get. I am sorry that I missed the show on Halloween night. I don’t know if this subect about “fake” is “TAPS or Ghost Hunters”. I’ve never seen TAPS before. But the lead person on Ghost Hunters, I can’t remember the names right now, does things I wouldn’t do. He challenges the spirits. The last episode I watched he told the spirit in the attic that hung himself, to hit him with a two-by-four like eh did with another person earlier that year. The leader of Ghost Hunters are also rude to the spirits. Don’t get me wrong, I fully enjoy the shows and never thought anything was fake. Even those guys and the way they do things on their investigations, I don’t believe they’d fake anything. Besides, what could they gain? Gaining a bad reputaion? Mistrust? I don’t think so.

   If Fear Turtle did delete his previous entry, Can someone explain how. I probably added some idiotic comments here that needs to be deleted.

7. FearTurtles November 16th, 2008 5:29 pm :

   Nope I didn’t delete it. I have no reason too. I appreciate that you managed to save it still. Thanks.
   Sure there is a way to hide the string. Grants jacket has a heavy liner. Most likely detachable. You run the string inbetween the liner and the outer jacket and attach one end to the collar of the outer jacket. As you can see in several of the pulls the inner liner does not move as much as the outer jacket. Thats because it is thick and offers more resistance. The string runs down to Grants Right hand. The string remains completely out of view. This is not a hard stunt to pull. And no the movement indicates a force pulling from within the jacket or a force pushing down from above. It is his body movement that makes it look more like a tug then the jacket movement. Just think about something holding your collar while you are moving forward. The weight of your body would cause you to continue forward while your lighter jacket would respond first. This would cause the front of the jacket to move up towards your neck. Give it a try. This is laws of physics at work. Grants Jacket does not represent what would truely happen of something grabbe and held your collar. Grant even stated that his whole jacket moved. Well the evidence at hand does not indicate that.

   I’m sure Grant is a really nice guy. He has always seemed trust worthy in the show. But I fail to see how that would explain why this collar pull is not fake.

8. ghosthunter77 November 18th, 2008 2:40 pm :

   I am the founder of a paranormal investigative team based out of Indianapolis, Indiana. My team has actively been ghost hunting for 4 years. When you are out there in the field, sometimes you get NOTHING; other times you are overwhelmed with activity. But as you investigate, you lose your “jumpiness”…..things do not scare you as much, so your reaction would not be as great as the average person sitting at home, watching the show. The fact that Grant did not jump, does not mean anything……he has been doing this for YEARS! My team motto is “If you can see through it, run to it” – I used to run, but you get over the fear and actually get excited about the activity. I have also met Jason and Grant and have no doubt that the experiences they had on Halloween were legitimate and honest. Jason and Grant are GREAT guys with a lot of integrity. They would NEVER jeopardize their reputation, the reputation of the show, or let their friends/fans down. They are all actually very humble guys and I believe that everyone is jumping to conclusions on what happened Halloween night. I believe in Jason and Grant and stand by my opinion. I hope that everyone else can jump on MY band wagon and put your faith in “Ghost Hunters”.

   Kimberly
   Founder of B.I.G. of Indy
   (Believe in Ghosts)

9. FORMERGHFAN November 18th, 2008 8:52 pm :

   I have been a fan of the show since day one and was upset by what I saw on the live show.

   I am also a 10 year veteran of the Hollywood VFX community and still to this day work on
   feature films as a VFX Director.

   I created these 3 movies to highlight the moments that
   show exactly what Grant did on that night and the last one I believe proves beyond a doubt that it was a Hoax. A simple trick with a cord ran through his side belt loop around to the back belt loop and run up either the inside of his jacket or the lining and up to the tip of his collar.

   The last one proves 3 points:

   1 His collar was pulled down and not back.
   2 the ONLY part of his jacket that moved was the collar fabric and there was no force applied to his jacket in any way that would cause him to either notice it or be pulled back or held in any way

   3 and since statements one and two are true and using common sense you must conclude that
   it was hoaxed.

   Pleas spread this to any and all fans of the show.

   Grant should come forward and apologize to us all for breaking our trust.

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlM-Uy8ODYQ

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n_HwoTKafY

   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8xJdYBVCXQ

   Thanks

10. Fiona Broome November 21st, 2008 12:57 pm :

    Sorry, FORMERGHFAN, but I still disagree. I doubt that you’ve talked to Grant to ask him exactly what he felt and why he stumbled back.

    Okay, his collar was pulled down and not back. Maybe it was a short ghost, reaching up.

    We don’t know exactly what he felt, that pulled him back. At the time, he interpreted it as something pulling on his jacket. After calming down and thinking about it, he may have reached a different conclusion.

    I know that I’ve had second thoughts about my ghostly encounters. When I take the time to discard my assumptions, I often realize that something very different happened. In some cases, it’s as simple as, “Oh. I was wearing sandals. If I’d tripped over something physical, I’d have stubbed my toe or felt whatever-it-was against my foot.”

    So, maybe when Grant thought about it, after the show, he was able to articulate the experience better.

    It may sound absurd, but maybe it wasn’t something pulling him backwards by the jacket. Maybe he was in a vortex and the force of the energy around him pulled him back, while something in the vortex tugged on his collar.

    Sure, that’s extreme, but I’m hoping to make a point here.

    I know Grant and consider him a good friend. If you know his background, he has many reasons for living a totally honest life. It’s just not in his nature to lie, much less set up a hoax like the one you’re describing.

    That said, James Randi would probably enjoy your videos. I hope you sent him the links. He makes a living claiming that just because something could be faked, it was a hoax.

    I think you need to have more faith in Grant, and look for paranormal explanations. There are ways to use special effects tricks for almost everything we encounter in haunted places. That doesn’t disprove the authenticity of what happens, and it doesn’t prove that it’s a hoax.

11. Fiona Broome November 21st, 2008 1:07 pm :

    FearTurtles, I’m not defending Grant just on the basis of him being a “nice guy.” I’ve known him for years, and I’m saying that it’s not in his character to take part in a hoax.

    There’s also no logical reason for him to jeopardize his reputation — or the show’s — by taking part in a hoax. He’d walk away from the show before he’d do that.

    When I consider those two factors, there is no way I’d believe that Grant faked what happened. So, either he experienced something that seemed paranormal to him… or they used a really good lookalike to replace Grant in the show.

    Those are the only options that I can believe, and the latter is almost as preposterous as thinking that Grant was part of a hoax.

    He’s as honest as it gets. Grant being dishonest is up there with my fourth grade teacher, Sister Marion, laughing at a dirty joke, or my grandmother attempting break dancing.

    There are things that just don’t fit with certain people. I’ve known Grant for years. He’s not someone who’d take part in a hoax.

12. Fiona Broome November 21st, 2008 1:16 pm :

    ghosthunter77, Thanks for your comments! I laughed when you said, “If you can see through it, run to it”! That’s the kind of thing an experienced ghost hunter says.

    I’m glad that you’ve met Jason and Grant, so you know exactly what I’m talking about when I defend their integrity.

    They’re everyday guys with tremendous humility. Sometimes, I think they have no idea how famous they really are. (The first time I saw Grant, he rushed up to me, shook my hand, and blurted, “You’re a legend!” I was so astonished and flattered, I didn’t know what to say. I mean, to me, he’s the famous one.)

    I’m really glad that you posted your comments, and I hope that more people put their faith in Jason and Grant. They’ve earned it with years of unscripted, honest research on the shows and in real life.

13. Fiona Broome November 21st, 2008 1:33 pm :

    Rich, thanks for your comments.

    I think the original FearTurtles entry was lost due to a server error. Initially, I saw three copies of it, then two, and then all of them were gone. Every year, Hollow Hill’s server is under tremendous stress around Halloween. By October 2009, I’ll probably have to move to a more powerful server that can better handle the load. I expect that the heavy traffic caused the comment problem.

    Also, I’m fairly certain that you’re describing Jason when you talk about one of the lead guys challenging the spirits. On camera, Jason can seem foolhardy at times, and even abrasive. I didn’t expect to like him when I met him. Then, I discovered that he’s someone whose apparent “Yeah? Prove it!” attitude is just how he talks. It also seems to me that he’s not the most patient guy after a long night of ghost hunting. (I don’t know anyone whose mood improves after a full night of sitting around at a maybe-haunted site, waiting for something to happen… including me!)

    Sure, he does things that I wouldn’t risk. I disagree with some of his skeptical conclusions, if it’s a location where my research results were different. (For example, I found very strong evidence of paranormal energy at Brennan’s Restaurant in New Orleans. But, I had the luxury of peace and quiet and multiple visits.)

    But, Jason is an honest, everyday kind of guy. Tact is not always his strong suit. He has one of those faces you can read, easily. In my opinion, it reflects his integrity.

    He’s definitely not someone who’d participate in a hoax, and I appreciate his answers to the accusations, at his MySpace page.

    Most people seem to be focusing on Grant in this controversy, but — like you — I don’t see any logical reason for either of the guys to be involved in a hoax.

    Jason and Grant started (and still maintain) their formal ghost hunting activities as The Atlantic Paranormal Society, also known as “TAPS.” Their early TV shows used that name in some parts of the country, but soon switched to the show name of “Ghost Hunters.” That’s why people sometimes call them the TAPS guys (as I often do) but usually call them the Ghost Hunters.

14. FORMERGHFAN November 21st, 2008 2:13 pm :

    My motto is just use common sense. What does you common sense tell you when you see the live video?

    There are people I have known for years and years and were shocked when I discovered they were not the way I thought they were or presented themselves to me.

    Vortex? Short Ghosts!?

    Really?

15. Fiona Broome November 21st, 2008 2:38 pm :

    FORMERGHFAN, Sure, I can work with that view.

    My common sense tells me that Grant really experienced something that baffled him.

    If you’ve known them in real life for years & years, I’m astonished that you’d question their integrity. That makes no sense to me.

    A vortex is a possibility. It’s unlikely, but it’s possible. I’ve seen weird stuff than that.

    I’m being a little ridiculous with the “short ghosts” comment.

    That said, as ridiculous as vortices and short ghosts may sound, they’re more believable to me than the idea that Grant would be part of a hoax. The latter just doesn’t fit with anything that I know about Grant.

16. itshaunted-dot-com November 23rd, 2008 1:38 pm :

    FAKE!!! 100 percent FAKE. I will NOT be convinced otherwise. If you watch Grant minutes (5 approx) prior to the first tug, he NEVER takes his right hand out of his pocket!!! He is seen fumbling with his right pocket as if he is setting up this blunder.

    Grant is right handed and he’ll adjust his hood with his left hand after the first tug! He is a horrible actor! Prior to the tug, he walks candidly for a perfect camera view. The ghost responded on command. Please, give me a break. Grant is known to fabricate evidence (sheet tug, moving lamp, shadow man at Iron Island Museum) and many times his experiences have been questionable.

    Jason seems to distance himself from the this cyclopean of a blooper and heck, I can’t blame the guy. Jason is caught between a rock and hard place for this is his best friend.

    Now, does this mega blooper rate Jason and Grant as bad people? Heck no! I think they are excellent dads and probably good friends. Personally, I like them, however from a business standpoint I don’t trust them.

    RT
    http://www.itshaunted.com

17. ghostcat November 29th, 2008 4:01 pm :

    Hi Rich-

    When you talk about the lead investigator acting aggressively, I believe you’re actually thinking of Zak from Ghost Adventures, the show that’s on the Travel Channel. I watch both shows so I can understand the mix-up!

    And that episode was pretty darned scary, if you ask me!

18. Rich December 6th, 2008 5:29 pm :

    Hello, Ghostcat.

    Yes, I was thinking “Ghost Adventures” with Zak, Erin and Nick. I really don’t understand why Zak wants to provoke ghosts/spirits.

    Last night watching the episode “Edinburgh Vaults” Zak went in to provoke a ghost called “Mr. Boots” for no apperant reason that I saw. I did thought it was kinda funny that Zak has a fear of snakes though.

    Fiona, What is your thoughts on “Ghost Adventure” and Zak’s methods?

19. sparky December 15th, 2008 7:43 pm :

    hi as a ghost hunter myself i can totaly agree with you in regards to not reacting like most people would in that situation. i personly dont think the show is faked well at least not by the team anyway, they have had alot of good evedence over the last few years that just cant be faked. fiona i find the best way to get evps is to not always carry the recorder around with you but to leave it in a controlled room, we very rarely dont get some kind of evp or noises on an investigation. the best we have got is when we was investigating an old victorian school and caught either a little boy or girl singing a nursey rhyme it was the only time an evp sent shivers down my spine.lol.

    to rich the method of provoking a spirit is normaly a last resort, my team tend to try that tactic if were not getting results and the rooms gone flat, it may be that zak used the same method and they just dont show the part wher their getting no results.

20. k10911a December 15th, 2008 10:39 pm :

    I will start off by saying what TAPS had happen to them on the halloween show I can’t say its real, but I can’t say they faked it. Its just so easy to say someone is faking something by just seeing on T.V. I’ve had a few unexplanable experinces myself. People say hey your crazy or this or that happened, but the stuff I experinced would make people scared out of their mind. Thats why I will be putting my own paranormal investagting team togeather soon. I want answers just like TAPS, GAC, and Paranormal state.

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22. Rich January 6th, 2009 6:02 am :

    I agree provoking sprits should be like the last result to get action. I do the same tactic on our team when we investigate a place. Most of the time, we get our results being polite to the spirits. I wouldn’t like someone walking into my home and provoke me as soon as they walk through my doorway. I’ve seen Zak provoke spirits as soon as they are locked in a building. Don’t get me wrong. I love watching his show as it’s my teams and my favorite ghost hunting show. I just think he should ease up a little and wait until he gets no results then poke em in the side to get there attention.

23. VDragulaV January 15th, 2009 2:51 am :

    Well I can say this much for the not reacting enough part’ I am not a professional ghost hunter although I am and have always been facinated and would like to be a professional ghost hunter. But I have had numerous times where I have heard felt or seen strange things happen and have not reacted at all to them other than to open my ears and eyes to any other events that might happen. I for years have heard noises in my house I grew up in. ( a woman had commited suicide in the house prior to our moving in. I was only 7 when we moved into this house and for many years I heard things and seen flashes of light. Once as we were playing cards at our kitchen table and the kitchen door opened, We actually heard the handle turn and the door opened about halfway before closing again pretty hard. And the reaction of ALL of us was to stop and look at the door. So fast forward to me 26 years old living in a small cottage. I had a dog that never growled at anybody ever who would be lying in the kitchen sleeping and suddenly wake up look at the pantry off the kitchen and start growling at something I could not see. Again in this house I would hear little noises but then one day I woke up to a loud crashing of pots and pans on the floor and I jumped up expecting to go into the kitchen and see that the dog had pulled down the dish strainer and all the pots and pans were still in the strainer on the counter. I went back to bed. ( although I don’t think the dog did LOL) fast forward another year I am now back living in the house I grew up. Only now I am living there alone. Now the noises are increasing in this house. I hear walking in the hallway at night. and in the basement I hear voices or a voice. (by the way the lady killed herself in the basement. It was a famliy room and laundry down there.) The doorbell would ring as I was sitting there at my desk which was in front of the window looking out there and there would be nobody there. Then I would hear things fall on the floor down in the basement and go down and look and sure enough not only was there stuff on the floor it was across the room. A plaque that had been on a shelf collecting dust for years was actually about 15 feet from where it was on the shelf and had small fingerprints in the dust. I picked it up looked it over and went back upstairs. In all these years of hearing things I never saw any figures just flashes of light and always thought boy if I ever see a ghost I may be a brave guy and all not afraid of much but I think I would go running for the hills with my heart beating 240. Then one day I was at my parents house of all places and sitting in their living room something caught my eye in the hallway and I looked in there just in time to see a man walk through the hallway from the bedroom to the bathroom. I did not run screaming from the house in fact I just got up calmly and walked to the bathroom to see where it had went. two weeks later sitting in the same living room at my parents house i seen in the same hallway a mist again go from the bedroom to the bathroom right across the hall and this time I didn’t even get up to go look. So as far as the reaction to something happening I may have had lots of things happen to me over my life but I have never reacted anything more than extremely calm to any of these events including the eventual sighting of a full body apparition and a vaporous apparition. Sure I have had lots of activity but not nearly as much as Grant has in all these investigations he goes on. So to say he didn’t react to it much doesn’t mean much. Now I am sure people will say yea but when that table jumped in front if him he reacted. Well honestly if a table I was sitting at jumped up in front of me in the dark I would react a whole lot more than the seeing the full body app. Because you are at that point wondering if you are going to be hit by a table! That is natural just like when I heard the pots and pans I jumped up quickly only because I thought my dog just did something worng and woke me in the middle of the night. Not cause I thought ghosts were invading my house. I don’t know if Grant was faking that or not I wasn’t there and honestly even though I wathc ghost hunters faithfully every week during that live event I could not be there for all 6 hours of the show and I actually missed that part while it happened and have only seen it on videos on you tube. But I don’t think Grants reaction was an indication of a faked event. If they are faking the whole show or not I still wathc it and will continue to watch it as long as it is on. I like the show faked or not I also like Ghost Whisperer and I KNOW THEY ARE FAKING THAT!! Just liek wreswtling is fake LOL. But I will say I also know Ghosts are real. cause I have heard them my whole life and then finally after many many years of hearing them at 40 years old seen one, twice. So you can never tell me they are not out there. You may not believe it but you will NEVER convince me I did not see what I seen and heard what I have heard.

24. ismy980 March 6th, 2009 1:57 am :

    Regarding the YOU SHOULDN’T BE HERE voice…

    If you watch the episode, normally they would bring something that amazingly clear to the client at the end of the episode and say that they heard it. In that episode, they never mentioned it in the edited version that aired on tv. However, one of the next weeks they mentioned that they now look closer for speakers in the room on account of they have been duped before.

    Grant made it very clear that they were trying to make sure they didn’t get fooled again… He didn’t say anything about that voice later on, but I thought it was an interesting coincidence that what appeared to be a hugely compelling piece of evidence was never talked about on TV again and then have Grant say that they now check for speakers or other things that they can be fooled by….

    just a thought.

25. Fiona Broome March 11th, 2009 5:24 pm :

    ismy980, thanks for your comments.

    Those are very good points. They’re also exactly why I defend Jay and Grant without hesitation. I’ve known them for years and I trust their integrity 100%.

    Both of them are “what you see is what you get” guys and faking a haunting is completely outside anything they’d ever do.

    They got into ghost hunting to find out the truth. It has never been about fame or fortune.

    They aren’t likely to compromise the truth for any reason… especially anything as trivial as TV ratings.

    The TAPS team don’t have much input into how any show is edited. Their later references to microphones and being fooled may be a reflection of something we didn’t see in that episode… or they could be talking about something else altogether.

    Almost every professional ghost hunter — including me — has dealt with pranks and hoaxes. Some are planned to make us look gullible. Others hope to convince us that a site is really haunted.. (Having verified ghost stories can mean increased income for some locations.)

    The ruses can be clever.

    Example: I once heard about a haunted B&B where people were woken up repeatedly during the night… and couldn’t figure out why. Many of them blamed it on ghosts. However, one researcher studied every inch of the bed, and found a pager taped to the bed frame. At irregular intervals during the night, someone called the pager. The vibration of the pager shook the bed just enough to wake up anyone in it.

    As ghost hunters, we don’t always have time to study every inch of a “haunted” location to rule out that kind of subterfuge.

    I am still fully confident that Jason and Grant have too much integrity to fake anything in a TV show.

    I really appreciate your insights. Thank you!

26. BrianC March 12th, 2009 9:56 am :

    Speaking as a tech geek, it wouldn’t be impossible to hide a speaker so well, no one would find it for hours, BUT that kind of work is a lot to go through. A production company would certainly have the resources, but you need to consider whether the effort is really worth the outcome. It would take a lot to locate a spot, hide the speaker, power supply, wires, and then cover it over and blend the work into the environment.

    I have seen the TAPS crew make mistakes in the show. Grant, though knowledgeable and skilled, I saw report an EMF spike while holding the EMF meter in the same hand as his audio recorder. It is possibly the audio recorder emptied a cache, wrote to the internal memory, or did any number of things that might trip the EMF meter showing a change in the electromagnetic environment that close.

    Mistakes do happen. We all make them. One thing I’d look for with the too-clear voice is whether or not any of the equipment might be subject to radio bleed from a near by transmitter. I used to have a stereo that clearly picked up a neighbor’s CB radio transmissions.

    I’m not saying that’s what happened, but it is one possibility. If it did, it would explain why it wasn’t mentioned in the reveal at the end of the investigation.

    Good EVPs have a certain distortion that you can come to recognize. A friend of mine once relayed a story of sending an EVP to an audio engineer. The engineer replied that it sounded like the voice came through a fuzzy tube. That’s not too far off from my experience. I’d love to analyze the voice myself, if I could obtain an un-modified copy.

    One thing I will say about TAPS is they have a good, solid protocol for handling their cases. No two investigators will agree on all the details, but TAPS does a damned good job at doing things the right way. They had a good rep before the show, and from all I’ve seen of the show, they’ve got it.

27. muchgooder March 24th, 2009 3:46 pm :

    I’m still amazed by how many people think that what Ghost Hunters do are real or even credible. I don’t know what is more laughable – that people think that because they (wisely) give the illusion of being skeptics they are credible or that people are impressed by the instruments that they use.

    First, we don’t have an ounce of proof that the afterlife exists. I’m sorry, garbled recordings and electricity are about as likely to prove that unicorns exist as they are to prove the existence of ghosts. Someone earlier mentioned how James Randi disproved all of this before but Penn and Teller did an awesome show on this as well (filled with scientists that laughed out loud at the measures that “ghost hunters” use). Check out my link below if you want to see the video of the show – it really is fascinating.

    Beyond all of that, use some common sense. Of all of the billions of people that died, wouldn’t just one of them walk onto a live tv set and draw on a chalkboard? No, instead we get things that happen in dark, musty places just off camera. Amazing how that works, isn’t it? I’ve lived in old houses and they do creep you out. And that is exactly why human perception can’t be used to prove anything, ever. We see stuff out of the corner of our eye all the time because our mind plays tricks on us. Ask a trial lawyer or a scientist how reliable human perception is.

    And even beyond that, the ridiculousness of the show speaks for itself. Lets start with the K2 meter, shall we? They’ve marvelled at that “instrument” many times, often acting like they are having conversations with the dead. Now think about it: their whole existence is to prove the existence of ghosts, right? if they thought this thing had a shred of legitimacy, wouldn’t they just stay at one of the places that supposedly had a ghost that was communicating with them? Wouldn’t they shut down the rest of the investigation and stick with that several days on end? Maybe call in some scientists and have them do the same? Of course they would. And what do they do? Chalk it up as “evidence” (no less flimsy than the other stuff) and head to the next room. And you’ll never see a skeptic on the show (I mean someone with a scientific background). It is no coincidence that every year their “hauntings” go up.

    I know that deep down people really want to believe in this stuff. It just isn’t true and you don’t need to do anything more than to watch the show to know it.

    My blog on this topic: http://www.muchgooder.com/home/adam.nsf/lookupcontentbykey/debunking_ghost_hunters

28. Fiona Broome March 25th, 2009 7:23 am :

    I’m sure that many people will agree with you. I don’t, on many (but not all) points, but that’s due to my experience in this field.

    The one point on which I feel you’ve significantly erred is equating skeptic with “someone with a scientific background.” Many of my research associates are scientists, and most of them — like me — acquired at least part of their educations at M.I.T. A couple of them might describe themselves as skeptics, but most would bristle at that term.

    Much of what we encounter cannot be explained by our current understanding of this physical universe. Whether it’s actually a ghost is another matter, but — for now — it’s a term we can use and everyone has a general understanding of the phenomena we reference.

29. muchgooder March 26th, 2009 9:47 am :

    I think “skeptic” in itself isn’t the best word because it can imply that there is a bias. Anyway, such a person need to not be a scientist but they can certainly rely on empiricle evidence to arrive at a conclusion. I find it strange that believers seem to take the position that it is up to the “show me” crowd to prove that something doesn’t exist (which of course is impossible). Life doesn’t work that way – extraordinary claims do in fact require extraordinary proof.

    It certainly isn’t a coincidence that the huge spike in paranormal and UFO sightings has coincided with the video age. People see these kinds of shows on tv and want their own experiences. But you need only to look at the UFO phenomenon to understand how people are influenced by media. Throughout the centuries the UFO’s seen in the sky were similar to the technology of the time. It wasn’t until the “flying saucer” was first depicted in the 40’s did we ever have that image of a UFO. And sure enough,that is what people claim they see today. Paranormal sightings are no different.

    Anyway, back to the show. The producers of the show made a brilliant strategic move by having the guys claim to want disprove that a place is haunted. This gets them instant credibility with the people that want to believe. In reality this claim (and that’s al it is) means nothing because anything that they can’t easily explain results in a place getting a “haunted” label. How is this proof of the supernatural?

    I’m sure Jay and Grant are nice guys. I’d love to have a beer with them. But do we really need any more proof that good people do bad things on tv and in the movies? There is a long line of paranormal hoaxes – would it really surprise anyone if they joined that group? Even believers have noted that the show has changed dramatically since season 1. At the very least we’ve seen from their Halloween special that they do in fact set up scenes so that alone damages their credibility. Did anyone else notice that while 95% of their “happenings” seem to occur just off camera that they just happened to have 8 cameras on Grant at that moment? I think the youtube video of the whole event gave some compelling evidence to support a hoax and there are plenty of other sites that show that GH at the very least misrepresents events in an investigation.

30. Fiona Broome March 27th, 2009 7:49 am :

    You raise some interesting points, but I’ll counter that — if Grant hadn’t been on-camera at the controversial moment — some people would declare the show a fake because all “paranormal” events happened off-camera.

    Frankly, if there was proof one way or the other — about any of this — we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

    I understand that there can be hostile and sometimes sarcastic people on both sides of the skeptic/believer arguments. I’m often baffled by that. I know that I’m having genuinely odd encounters that are best explained as “ghosts,” but I’m open to alternative explanations.

    So far, no one in the skeptic camp has come up with something that fits all of my experiences. However, I’ll disagree heartily with some of the routine ghost-related explanations as well.

    I’m looking for answers that work. Yes, some of what people experience can be explained by EMF, especially disorientation and paranoia. The power of suggestion can be another significant factor. And, if you give credence to quantum studies, the input of the observer can affect the actual events, as well.

    I try to consider all such elements in connection with apparently paranormal events.

    However, when I leave a “haunted” location with a very clear image of something in history — something so obscure that it takes me three weeks of complex research to find documentation one way or the other — I don’t have any explanation for it… except that I discerned it through something currently called paranormal.

    That’s how I see it, but I encourage people to interpret my articles through the windows of their own beliefs. And, within those contexts, I urge them to find evidence to explain — at least to themselves — what’s going on.

    At my websites, in person, and in forums that claim to be unbiased, I expect them to do the same with me: Respect my beliefs and experiences. When they don’t, I’m not sure whether their lack of manners reflects their own uncertainties and anxieties, or some other issue altogether.

    I’ll readily agree that anyone who claims “proof” of the supernatural (or that the supernatural doesn’t exist) is using unfortunate rhetoric.

    That said, when I’ve watch Ghost Hunters, I’ve never seen Jason say, unequivocally, that a site is haunted. Perhaps he has. When I’ve seen the show — admittedly infrequently — he always cloaks his conclusions in phrases such as “I think…,” or, “It seems to me…”

    I would also suggest that Jason’s less argumentative approach to phenomena isn’t about ratings, but the result of increasing evidence that something unexplained is going on at many “haunted” sites he’s visited. It’s a logical progression, based on the increasingly strange sites he has an opportunity to visit.

    Mostly, I think that it’s key to separate the respective motivations of Jason, Grant, their team members, the owners of the “haunted” sites, the production company and the network airing the shows.

    I’ve known Jason and Grant for long enough — in settings outside investigations — to be absolutely certain that they would never knowingly participate in any contrivances to make a location look haunted.

    It’d be like a lifetime, dyed-in-the-wool Red Sox fan deciding to cheer for the Yankees, or vice versa.

    I think that all ghost researchers get fooled, now and then… on both sides of the aisle. Our explorations in this field are often trial-and-error; we simply try to avoid a second error as we learn what’s real and what’s still unexplained.

    But, until we do have clear explanations — normal or paranormal — for what’s going on in “haunted” locations, it’s pointless for us to argue. Each person will have a different viewpoint, and I think that we need to allow each other that freedom and privilege.

    My point in posting this article is to explain my views on the Ghost Hunters “hoax” question by sharing insights that I have from years of friendship with Jason and Grant. I can’t personally vouch for everyone else involved in each, individual show or segment.

    However, I know that Jason and Grant would walk away from the show in a blink if they were asked to compromise their reputations by falsifying anything.

31. muchgooder April 15th, 2009 2:21 pm :

    Well said Fiona. It is a pleasure to participate in a pleasant and well-meaning conversation such as this one (they are rare on the web). I have to admit that I do find it curious that you and several others that have posted on my site readily admit that there is really no proof that supernatural exists yet have a passion to try to find answers. I’ll completely disagree with your methods but that is what makes this fun. I can’t imagine what you could find on location that would really impress a scientist or skeptic.

    We’ll agree to disagree on the show’s honesty. At best I think they can be accused of looking the other way – I think several videos online have shown their inconsistencies and omission of facts (there are lots of sights online that have examples of this). At worst, they are liars (their unwillingness to release “evidence” or take skeptics out with them doesn’t help their cause). I’ve seen just about every episode and I have to say that I haven’t seen a single thing that couldn’t be explained. I think they lost a ton of credibility with their fans with their “mistakes” made on the halloween special. And for the record, we’re all shocked when someone we know does something that we never thought they’d do. But it happens all the time.

    Good luck to you on your endeavor! – Adam

32. christiano May 6th, 2009 11:08 pm :

    Fiona, I’m a big fan of TAPS and Ghost Hunters, I’m a member of their 18+ message board and I’m even starting my own ghost hunting group here in Brazil. I’ve always been interested in the possible contact between the living and the dead, since Spiritism is the second largest religion in Brazil in number of followers (although I’m not a Spiritist myself). But I only started to get really interested in ghost hunting after I accidentally caught one of the episodes of GH on SciFi, when I was a subscriber of Sky, the satellite TV provider. And I still watch the show.

    But I got very disappointed by this live episode of GH. I’ve seen videos made by a guy who calls himself “moviedan” in youtube (he’s also a ghost hunter) and I think his explanation for the two episodes (the disembodied voice and the jacket being pulled) is very convincing. One thing you apparently forgot to mention in your post, about the voice saying “you’re not supposed to be here” on the show, is that Steve Valentine, one of the guests of that episode, told Grant and Jason (and he did it twice) that he could here the alleged disembodied voice through his ear piece, an indication that this audio could’ve been “planted” by the producers of the show. In one of the times that Steve tells Jason and Grant about hearing the voice through his ear piece, you can hear a voice yell “shut up!” on their ear piece (possibly the director of the show telling Steve to shut up because he was saying too much with his big mouth).

    Take a look at these videos:

    Moviedan’s analysis of the live episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjSCPFTXU8 (Steve’s allegation about the disembodied voice appear 4min6sec into the video)
    Moviedan comments on Grant’s response to his analysis video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMjSCPFTXU8
    A TV report about a TAPSCon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaptYGlMdZc

33. Fiona Broome May 9th, 2009 2:55 pm :

    Christiano,

    Thanks for your comments.

    I did not mention the show’s production crew because I wasn’t there during the filming, and — except for Jason and Grant — I don’t know the staff at all. Also, keep in mind that the Ghost Hunters TV show is not TAPS.

    Regarding the show in question, I don’t know what was said or done, except what I saw on the TV… and that can be manipulated by clever editing.

    However, I do know Jason and Grant, and I am certain that they are entirely honest in how they conduct research, on and off the show. No one can convince me otherwise. Jason and Grant faking something on the show is — as I said earlier — like a rabid Red Sox fan cheering for the Yankees to win; it’s not going to happen.

    As researchers, none of us can eliminate every possible way that an anomaly — or a voice, or a cold spot, an apparition, or whatever — can be faked.

    All we can do is our best, and I believe that Jason and Grant do that with integrity.

    I don’t believe that they’d be part of a hoax. At the time, Grant seemed sure that someone (living) said — out loud — that they weren’t supposed to be there. (I’ve also been on investigations where ghostly phenomena seemed caused by the living. It’s very disorienting when that happens.)

    Grant would have had to conduct a near-microscopic study of the entire area to rule out a tiny microphone. That wasn’t practical, so he had to take events at face value.

    It’s up to the audience to decide whether or not something seems credible, and if Jason and Grant were set up. That’s a question that I can’t answer because I wasn’t there and I don’t know the show’s production staff.

    To me, it is incredible that Jason or Grant would participate in a hoax or fake anything on the show. As Mr. Spock would say in the old Star Trek series, “That does not compute.”

    I’m not interested in any videos with titles like “TAPS LIES and LIES and LIES…” I watched about ten seconds of that video and realized that they were talking about TAPScon, which was not one of Jason & Grant’s events. I don’t see what that has to do with the question at hand.

    But, in general, that kind of negativity is boring and, at its best, needlessly distracts us from our research.

    I’m looking for explanations regarding what we call ghosts, and “haunted” places. Jason and Grant contribute information that brings us closer to genuine answers. Their popularity has helped this field expand, and it’s inspired many new tools that contribute to our research as well. (For example, I’m hearing and seeing astonishing results with the K-//, the Puck and the Ovilus.)

    People who enjoy the Ghost Hunters TV show — as I do — should keep watching it. Those who don’t should change the channel.

    Regarding Jason and Grant, I know them personally and have no doubts about their integrity. They’re among the most honest people I’ve ever met, and they wouldn’t participate in a hoax.

34. The_Rav May 26th, 2009 5:00 pm :

    I’ll start off by saying I have never had a ghost experience, and while I’m a skeptic, I’d love to believe that ghosts are out there. I’ll need to have an experience first hand before I believe 100%. Now, about Ghost Hunters and other paranormal shows: I have no idea whether they are faked or not. All I know is that I have a good time watching these shows. I’d like to believe the things they catch are real, but with zero first-hand knowledge of the field, I can’t say. I believe Fiona when she says Grant and Jason wouldn’t be a part of any fake in their show, but who’s to say someone in the GH crew wouldn’t stoop to that for ratings? But either way, I’ll keep watching. It’s entertaining TV, in my humble opinion.

35. Ann June 10th, 2009 12:38 pm :

    ok lets get one thing straight, if you ever listened to an interview from Jason and/or Grant from TAPS, you would of heard them say that they go to places to disprove a Haunting they try to debunk things first before they can even say that a place may be haunted or not. take that into consideration before you can actually say that any of their programs are hoaxes or not. I do not believe that they would try to fake any progams just to get people to watch them. If anyone was a real ghost hunter they would actually believe to try to debunk things first than make a decision later. here is one Question for everyone, Do you think that the Stanely Hotel is Haunted? If TAPS show is fake then why did they have paranormal experiences when they went to the Stanley Hotel when one it was deemed as being haunted even by Stephen King and two they go out to disprove a Haunting and they could not debunk anything that happened at the Stanley Hotel? Think about that before you come to a conclusion.

36. Ann June 10th, 2009 1:09 pm :

    first of all all you alleged ghost hunters out there who are critizing Jason and Grant you need to remember that all groups have different ways of conducting a ghost hunt and one of Jason’s and Grant’s ways is trying to disprove and/or debunk stuff before coming up with a conclusion and secondly to Muchgooder, until you study to become a ghost hunter like I am solmely am doing plus having experiences behind me, you shouldn’t be critizing anyone. Ghost Hunters is not fake it is real and well mybe if you think that they are fake well then why are you watching them in the first place?

37. lynn owsianowski June 17th, 2009 5:34 pm :

    I agree with you about the integrity of TAPS. But leaving a party early has no bearing on integrity or honesty. Just an observation from an honest partier.

38. Alex June 17th, 2009 7:51 pm :

    Ghost Hunters IS FAKE!!!!!!!!!! I’ve seen that show and it’s FAKE!!!!
    I’ve lived a life of ghostly encounters and I’m a pro at figuring out the
    FAKES or THE NOT SO FAKES.

    ……….. ……….. ………..OOOHHH..BUSTED FOR FAKING
    STILL WATCH THE SHOW… (even though it’s FAKE)

39. Korbe June 18th, 2009 11:14 am :

    If the halloween episode would not have found any ghostly evidence, the producers of the show wouldn’t have been very happy. Some of the TV episodes have displayed “fake” ghostly “stuff” for ratings. Good ratings equal more money for Jason & Grant. Money can influence integrity.

40. Fiona Broome June 18th, 2009 4:52 pm :

    Good point, Lynn. I apologize for making a comment that could easily be understood. Many of my favorite, very honest friends are enthusiastic partiers. I also respect the integrity of people who, after a few drinks, choose to stay at a party (all night, if necessary) and enjoy themselves rather than put people at risk by getting behind the wheel.

41. Not a Fan June 22nd, 2009 2:37 pm :

    Did everyone forget that this is just a TV show? Of course it’s all fake or also called staged. You state that J and G are honest, they would not do that. Of course they would! They are getting paid very large sums of money. If they did not have this show they would problem be like many in RI –Unemployed and in Foreclosure. I read this and I can’t believe that people fall for this. It’s all for ratings and nothing more. It is a show that targets the following
    1. Under 18
    2. People over 18 still living at home.
    3. Shut ins
    4. Drunk, Drugs or more
    5. Just plain stupid
    Hopefully the show will end soon and something good will be Sci-Fi on Wed. (and not GHI or the new GH show)
    Get a life, or just start having your pay checks go to TAPS. You deserve to be ripped off!
    Just my 2 cents!

42. Josh June 23rd, 2009 5:14 am :

    First of all, I don’t understand how people keep saying that the show in question is fake because they are “experts” when it comes to these camera “tricks”. The fact that producers can hide these “tricks” so well does not prove anything since if they can hide it so well then why the hell would they use the same tricks as hollywood if their trying to fool all their viewers? Ghost hunters could easily be the type of show that would attract hoax hunters, so it would only make sense that if the producers wanted to make a fake haunting that they would use better, or newer tricks up their sleeves. I’m not challenging anyone’s expertise on the matter, but it is really annoying that people keep using the “this proves this, and that proves that” argument. From all the arguments that I have read on all these posts, I have yet to see a sound scientific argument on how the episode was fake or real. The “proofs” that I’ve seen so far were this: “Oh he clearly used strings on his righ pocket, blah blah blah, he’s left handed, blah blah blah, he didn’t move his right hand, blah blah blah, it’s impossible for him to fix his jacket with his left hand if he’s right handed, blah blah blah, so therefore it’s fake.” These arguments are not sound since they completely throw out other possibilities that could explain what really happened on that day. If the scientific community took this approach to everything then we would still be stuck on the dark ages trying to figure out why God made the world flat. We cannot simply throw out other explanations because we “think” one explanation proves the fact. The string everyone keeps talking about was not completely visible to make that a fact so that argument should be thrown to the “possible” criteria rather than the “OMG their fake” criteria. But this does not mean the show is also real since we really didn’t see a “short ghost” or a “vortex” manipulating Grant’s jacket so that should also be thrown in the “possible” criteria. The point I’m trying to make here is that unless anyone have solid, non-opinionated, evidence to prove that the show is fake then please the shut up and let everyone else enjoy this show. AND if you’re just looking for attention, then please try a little harder.

    P.S: I also don’t agree with the argument that Grant is honest because of the fact that he is when you met him. I’m sure he’s a good person in real life, but that argument is clearly circular for the people who have yet to meet Grant. Remember, any guilty criminal can say he’s innocent because he is, but who would believe him?

    P.S: Oh and I just stumbled upon this after watching another one of their show and felt like I should share my thought. Better late than never right?

43. Fiona Broome June 23rd, 2009 6:45 am :

    Josh, your reply made me laugh out loud when I reached the “please try a little harder” line. Oh, your comments are well considered and you make some great points, but — mostly — I really enjoy your style of writing. Thanks for commenting!

44. Fiona Broome June 23rd, 2009 6:51 am :

    Well, Not a Fan, I’m not sure what to say about the large number of us who don’t fit into your five target categories.

    However, I can assure you that most people — in ghost hunting and elsewhere — are good and honest, and would not compromise their integrity for any amount of money, large or small.

    I also maintain that no one “deserves” to be ripped off.

    Then again, I choose a happy outlook on life and feel sorry for cynics, so I think we’re looking at the proverbial half-full glass from very different viewpoints.

45. Jo90 June 28th, 2009 12:42 am :

    Good grief folks …. Think about it, if this show had come even close to finding a real ghost don’t you think that someone more than the Sci-Fi channel would be reporting this. Of Course this is fake. It may be fun, make you jump, but if you think this is real then you really need to step back and use your brain.

46. bob June 29th, 2009 6:29 pm :

    Taps is a TV show that needs certain things to happen to stay on the air, Ratings etc.
    TAPS may have started out true, NOT now, there are things that happen, sounds, noises. certain moving lamps etc.that are a put on by YES the taps founders. and derector (the same)
    Also they have no bills or cost for any vehicles, equipment, travel, etc, All studio supplied.
    I am good friends with a shell we say a taps cast member and this is what I’m told often.

    you think different your an idiot

47. Joe June 30th, 2009 7:43 pm :

    “It wasn’t until the “flying saucer” was first depicted in the 40’s did we ever have that image of a UFO.”

    If you were to google ancient astronauts, you will find depictions of ufo and alien artwork created by very old civilizations and cultures. In several cases, they are hundreds if not thousands of years before the television was invented.

48. Fiona Broome July 1st, 2009 8:50 am :

    Hello Jo90, and thanks for commenting. The problem isn’t whether or not people have found a real ghost… or what we think probably is one. The difficulty is proving it. Until that’s established, we’re going to keep looking for evidence that proves — one way or the other — what we’re encountering. Shows such as ‘Ghost Hunters’ popularize this field and, with the involvement of more people and increasingly sophisticated research tools, we may eventually have an answer.

    Until Christopher Columbus (or perhaps a few earlier explorers) proved that the earth was not flat, the same dilemma existed.

    For many of us, belief is not the issue. We’ve encountered things that we can’t explain except with the term, “ghost.”

    What we — and people like Jason and Grant — are doing, is seeking answers and helping people who are concerned about unexplained phenomena in their homes and businesses.

49. Fiona Broome July 1st, 2009 9:05 am :

    Sorry, Bob, but we’ll have to agree to disagree.

    I’m far from an “idiot,” and I’m not sure what you expect to accomplish by insulting people.

    Studios usually supply transportation, etc., to get their cast and crew to a location. That’s normal for any show, and it doesn’t mean anything one way or the other.

    Also, the TV show isn’t TAPS… the show is called “Ghost Hunters.” TAPS is a oaranormal research group based in Rhode Island, and some of their members are also involved in the Ghost Hunters TV show.

50. Fiona Broome July 1st, 2009 9:07 am :

    Joe, that’s a great comment. You’re right. There are some astonishing images of flying saucers in Renaissance paintings and other art. There are also references to “ships in the sky” in the early Irish history records, the Annals of the Four Masters.

    It’s a great topic to study!

51. Terrie July 1st, 2009 10:49 am :

    I agree with your statements. The guys at TAPS have always come across as honest, trustworthy people. I believe they would never knowingly be involved with a hoax.

52. maulrat67 July 4th, 2009 2:30 am :

    doesnt the fact that this nonsense is broadcast on the SCIFI network give you just a bit of a clue that this stuff is just that … FICTION.

53. Angela D. Murray July 4th, 2009 6:24 pm :

    I just wish to say that i personally have had class A EVP recordings with a standard microcassette recorder during a session that was intended to induce recordings via a standard parker Brothers Ouija Board. I am aware that this draas immidiate responses which are negative but to be quite blunt I was there, I witnessed the entire event, and I know for 100% certainty that the voices on that cassette were resposive and intelligent. Now is this was some sort of manifestation of possible telepathy then it was very good because for all I am open I am NOT an easy sale. I have also encountered several occasions of obvious para (and on that not why is it para-normal when it is a scientificaly and spiritually proven phenomenon in the first place?) normal activity in my life and am empathic by nature to a small degree as well as am a lucid dreamer and have witnessed phenomenon so spectacular normal words will never be good enough to explain…all this and I am by no means a professional investigater but just an extremely open-minded and practical human being. My oly issue with televised series the camera man is always pointing away which means more gear with a broader range of sight and scope needs to be invented so that they can see what the investigeters see as well as surrounding images. I receive what I like to refer to as a psychic bleed through though I do not like to claim to be psychic as labels are not my style either. Over dimensional overlays or latent energy call it what you will, the multiverse wastes nothing and energy does not just cease to exist.

54. Angela D. Murray July 4th, 2009 6:29 pm :

    in response to the question of science fiction being fiction that is accurate in regards to the station. It plays these types of shows because that is the genre and that attracts more viewers. This is fairly simple and is only at best a weak argument to the show’s validity. Not everyone is able to experience these type of phenomenon, it takes quite a bit of energy for a spirit to even manifest. I myself will not be 100% satisfied until I have direct concrete and scientifically viable proof as my recordings vanished and were not a proper investigation by no means but just an experiment.

55. Jenna smith July 5th, 2009 5:38 pm :

    Jason and Grant are super nice. I met them last week. They’re funny and you can just tell they’re honest. I don’t think they would ever do something to stage things just for TV. If you’ve met them, you know how they are. Since the very beginning they’ve been trying to prove that nothing is there or nothing is trying to hurt their clients, not that there is a ghost there and try to spook the clients. Yeah some of the stuff is questionable, but it doesn’t mean it’s fake. Just my opinion, i trust J and Grant.

56. Angie Ellison July 6th, 2009 9:38 am :

    I believe that Jason & Grant both are very honest and only give us the viewers exactly what they see or hear themselves. They would not want to ever put the Ghost Hunters TV series or their reputation on line – their
    dignity means alot to them. They are both family oriented and stand up guys. I have really enjoyed watching their series for a couple of years …….I think that they are bothe very creditable.
    I would love to learn more about ghost hunting more so for the spiritual side of it and not as much the science side of it. I feel their is a part of me that has a very strong connection to the unexplained……
    Sometimes I really am not sure what to make of it all. But I do know their is something that urges me to seek the unexplained. Just wanted to leave my comment, I think it is important to give Jason & Grant fair
    judgement…… Sincerely, Angie

57. GhostSeekr July 7th, 2009 2:02 am :

    Fiona, I just come across your website and find it very informative. I do have to give my opinion on this statement of “fake”. You have been in the paranormal community longer than I have and I’m sure you know when you go ghost hunting you DON’T always get activity. Our group refers to it as fishing you can go out and get your limit in 10 mins or out all day and get nothing. I find it hard to believe TAPS is getting activity every time they go out, there would not be a GHOST HUNTERS TV show, with out rating. People don’t want to watch true ghost hunting… hours of watching nothing. Our group here in Florida was asked to help with a show called Secretes of Ghost Hunting revealed, our producer was contacted by Steve, of TAPS, very upset and angry this was being made. If there is nothing to hide why get upset. I didn’t realize how naive I was until the making of this show. I didn’t know magician’s string could be used to make lamps slide off tables or pictures move on a wall and the string is never detected with the camera, or child like whispers can be done with a child’s toy to give the audible illusion of an EVP. We don’t have many EVP’s but most of ours are class C’s, I don’t know many groups that get class A’s. We have appeared with a form member of TAPS and this person said the show was scripted. My opinion is it was a FAKE!

58. Ok not a fan July 7th, 2009 8:35 am :

    First I just cannot believe what I read on these sites. I can’t believe that people truly believe that GH/GHI and Taps are real. It’s a TV show nothing more. Will they fake stuff for ratings? (sorry I have reading all the stuff on Scifake.com) You’re darn right they will! For everyone who feels that the GH/GHI crews are honest. You have got be kidding! They have bills to pay for (now a B/B) and families to support. If the networks tell them to fake stuff, they will. It’s in their contract to do what the network tells them to do. Only problem is that it’s going to their heads. This show targets a certain demographics in which they can be easily fooled. Sorry was not trying to insult anyone. I used to like to watch the show when it first came on, but then I started to see outright lies. It seems that that money is out weighing the truth. Instead of watch them, go out and do it yourself or start a business. These shows are a complete waste of time.

    Just my 2 cents

59. Fiona Broome July 7th, 2009 8:40 am :

    GhostSeekr, I appreciate your concerns. I’ve been approached by many TV shows and producers over the past 10 years, and discussions came to a halt when I said that I would accurately recreate events that actually happened, but I wouldn’t fake anything.

    That said, I’m mindful of production expenses, and how much money is lost when the full crew is there and the cameras roll… and nothing happens. So, I understand the dilemmas of everyone involved in ghost-related entertainment.

    But, I’m also sure that TAPS (which is different from the “Ghost Hunters” TV show) don’t get something every time that they go out. And, though I hardly ever watch their TV show (I don’t watch much TV, period), I’ve seen several episodes in which half the show featured a site where cool stuff seemed to happen… but they found a very normal explanation for it. There was nothing paranormal.

    I also clearly recall Jason’s annoyance when nothing significant happened during their brief visit to Brennan’s restaurant in New Orleans’ French Quarter. That was an early show, and I was disappointed because I’ve encountered some very cool (but subtle) phenomena there. I was sorry that the “Ghost Hunters” TV show hadn’t had enough time to experience it as well.

    During your phone call, I have no idea what happened with Steve. I suspect that the TAPS staff are in a difficult spot, being called on to defend any possible infringement on the “ghost hunters” trademark… when they don’t actually own the name, either. I’m sympathetic, and have no idea if that was part of what was going on. His upset may have been mostly about having to be in the role of trademark watchdog… but I’m just guessing. I repeat: This is total speculation. But, it may not be far off the mark. In addition, I’m not sure if I know Steve, personally; I’m terrible with names!

    About people formerly associated with TAPS or the show: I’d like to believe people who are former members of any show or group, after they leave the show or group. However, I try not to draw conclusions since I rarely know the whole story behind why the person left. I’ve made a few total blunders, trusting people’s integrity as they talked about a controversial situation, and — when I heard the other side of the story — I was disappointed as the picture became clearer.

    About TV shows in general: Each person has to decide for him- or herself. I’ve seen such wild things happen, I try to accept that anything is possible. Though I’m a skeptic in many ways, I try to temper that by not leaning too far in the “Randi” direction. That is, I try not to assume that — just because something can be faked — it’s a fake.

    But, I’m with you on the EVP issue. I’ve tried to record them and I was not impressed with my results. That said, I’ve heard EVPs — at their first replays — from people who hadn’t had time to filter them, and they were pretty darned convincing. So, I’m undecided about Class A EVPs.

    I’ve been very careful about my phrasing regarding the TV show. I would like to believe that nothing is faked, and that Jason and Grant are never set up to look bad. However, I’ve seen how ruthless some people can be, to make money or gain greater fame and popularity. That’s far more chilling than the ghosts are!

    All I can say is that I’ve known Jason and Grant for years. I consider them very good friends, but in a field where integrity is often all that we have, none of us can risk being associated with lies. Even when it’s something apparently small, it compromises our credibility and… well, that’s unacceptable. So, if I found out that they were faking it, I’d say so, loudly.

    Everything that I’ve seen of Jason and Grant over the years — and as recently as a couple of weeks ago when we were together at their hotel* — assures me that they are on the level. They weren’t faking it.

    I can’t speak for the sites being investigated on the shows, the production company or crew, or someone on the set who might want to “enhance” the show.

    I also can’t tell if someone with access to the show had (or has) a personal or professional reason to make “Ghost Hunters” look bad. I do know that at least one person claiming (loudly) that the show was fake — and apparently posting videos — was commenting from a company in the family of a competitive network. (Yes, I can see commenters’ ISP numbers.)

    I try to take nothing at face value. However, my friendship with Jason and Grant extends beyond this field. In fact, when we’re together, we rarely talk about ghosts. Grant and I talk about art and kids, and Jason generally talks about non-show topics. So, I think I have a good sense of their lives, and can put the “fake” issue in a reliable context.

    They just aren’t the kinds of people to fake anything. Could they be set up? Could they be fooled? With clever devices and technology, I think anyone can. (The press try to fool me regularly, when they’re looking for a story “exposing” the gullible nature of paranormal researchers. Generally, I’m amused by how transparent their efforts are.)

    However, I continue to defend Jason and Grant on the basis of their integrity. That’s my entire reason for speaking up about this.

    Were they set up? I have no idea, but it’s possible. Remember, competition in this field can be ruthless, and “industrial espionage” and related tactics aren’t limited to Fortune 500 companies.

    *I’ve been to the Spalding Inn regularly, starting last winter. I’ve spent one night there, before the remodeling was completed. (And, my uncle used to vacation there.)

    But, when I talk about visiting the hotel, it’s usually for just a few hours. I go there to hike and take photographs of the area, and to do some landscape painting. It’s a complete break from my work, and I deliberately avoid “talking shop” when I’m there. Frankly, I’d spend time at the Spalding Inn whether or not I knew the owners. It’s a great hotel in a tremendous location.

60. Fiona Broome July 7th, 2009 8:56 am :

    To “Ok not a fan”: I understand your views, and I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.

    However, I defend Jason and Grant because I’ve known them for years and I am certain that they wouldn’t fake the show for money, ratings or anything else.

    I don’t know the production crew. I’m not there when the show is edited. I generally don’t know the people who own the sites being investigated.

    There are many variables, and subterfuge could enter at any point, and for a variety of reasons including ratings. I can only say, with 100% certainty, that Jason and Grant are on the level. What they say is true. When I do watch the show, that’s all I pay attention to: Their reactions and how they evaluate what they’re encountering.

61. Fiona Broome July 7th, 2009 9:09 am :

    Hi Angie, Thanks for your comments. I’ll try to include more articles about the spiritual side of ghost hunting. It’s a very important aspect… even more important than the scientific side, for many people. Those of us who’ve been in this field for a long time may take for granted the spiritual nature of our work. That’s one reason why I so rarely talk about it. I’ll make an effort to include the other side of “the other side” in future articles.

62. mrytle94 July 8th, 2009 12:43 am :

    Ghosthunters,I just wanted to ask why everything always has to happen at night on your show? I know from personal experiance that things happen in daylight to, but for some reason you always use the night. and what’s with all the lights out crap ? paranormal things don;t give a rats patootitie if the lights are on or not. I j was just wondering why? and why the international ghosthunters? I’ much rather watch you guys in Atlanta. I’m sorry if it sounds like I’m trying to complain I really do not mean it that way, I just have a wondering mind so to speak. I really am a huge fan of yours although I could so without the {international version.} Thanks for letting me ramble to you. God bless you all…. Sincerly Pat K/ Mrytle94

63. Ok not a fan July 8th, 2009 8:01 am :

    Well we all have our own thought s on this. Sometimes people will not accept the true because they couldn’t believe their “friends “would lie to them. It is a TV show nothing more. No one has had any formal training and there is no school (real school) that does this type of training. Hey after a few drinks I might see a ghost too. Also the production company tells them what to do. Sorry but if they need high ratings, they will fake it. Please note that they are under contract to not reveal that item. They are in for the money nothing more. It’s a job, they are just actors. In time they will be forgotten.

64. Valerie Emerson July 8th, 2009 1:07 pm :

    I am wondering about the light box i seen taps use to ask yes and no questions, it was a new gadget they had; red and green light. Seemed like an interesting device. But was disappointed in the line of questions they asked the small boy spirit. Id ask, can you see others? do you know you are dead, are there other life forms where you are?. Well you get the idea im sure lol..the questions we all ask in the back of our minds about the hear after. I enjoyed your site. and I am a forever Taps fan. And I had a 16 yr haunting myself, and Michigan paranormal society(MIPARRAHAUNT) (Scott Hattis) who runs it came to my home just about 2 yrs ago.. and Set me free from my haunting. So I know for fact there is more then just life here. there is some thing here after.

65. Trustedsouls July 8th, 2009 11:56 pm :

    “Man! This is by far one of the stupidness arguments that i ever heard about the show Ghost Hunters. Folks i have never met Jason or Grant. But i have a few friends that knows them both. I am a ghost hunter myself. I only have two years into it but i have many photo’s plus many evps as well to prove that were not alone. Now on my 3nd time out hunting. My group and i was attacked and what happen was i was not only pushed down the whole group had rocks thrown at them by spirits. We knew it was spirits that were throwing things at us because no one else was even in the area. Now about 7 months later. Not only did we all hear the voices telling us to get the hell out but we have evps to prove it and one of my members was hit in the side of the face. You can see the hand print. He was hit hard. Folks in this business (Ghost Hunting) there is NO guarantees. But i only know of one real case were a ghost killed someone and that case they made into a movie. Its called (American Hunting) staring Donald Sutherland. He plays a father who was having sex with his daughter. But as for the show Ghost Hunter. I’ll just say that both of these guys deserve my respect. Both Jason and Grant are up standing folks straight up! Plus knowing Jason as we ALL do. He wouldn’t fake anything. Maybe he will fake a show the doesn’t prove anything. He’s a big time skeptic for the most part so he would never fake a show that proves that there is real ghost. Skeptics don’t do that kind of thing. If you don’t believe, fine. If you do believe, find. But if you are a skeptic and wants to go on a real ghost hunt. Then let me know. My home town of Victoria, B.C. Canada in most likely the most haunted place in Canada. I have way to many photo’s and evps and meter reading to prove that were not alone. So for you folks that don’t believe. What makes you think when your in the shower that your truly alone in the shower??? Dirty Dogs aren’t they? LOL!

66. Fiona Broome July 9th, 2009 6:26 am :

    Hi Pat K,

    This site is run by me, Fiona Broome, and I’m not part of the “Ghost Hunters” show. But, I hope you’ll be at Dragon*Con in Atlanta, where you can ask the Ghost Hunters’ staff about this, in person. They do Q&A sessions at some of their panels, and some of them are often in the “Walk of Fame” room, too.

    But, I’ll share my own answers to some of your questions.

    Personally, I rarely do a “lights out” when I investigate, except briefly as a comparison. However, I’m not using tools as sensitive as what some teams use. So, for me, low-level EMF — as I may find around lights that are on — isn’t a huge issue; it might be for them.

    However, we’ll turn lights out where they might interfere with IR cameras, etc. Since the TV shows seem to use IR and night vision video cameras as they’re walking around, the “lights out” routine may be a way to avoid inadvertently filming where artificial light could be leaking into the room.

    If I’m in a situation where EMF might be interfering, we turn off he power at the main box and wait an hour or two for the charge to diminish in large appliances such as refrigerators, and in TVs (especially older ones) that store electricity for the “instant on” feature.

    I’ve wondered if the “lights out” part of the show is mostly for drama. It certainly looks cool; I just haven’t seen much reason for it as a general measure for real-life investigations. For me, either we turn the lights off at the power box (usually in the basement), or we leave the lights on except for spot-checks to see if anything changes when the lights are out.

    On the other hand, there could be a good, logical reason to turn the lights out. It’s the same reason so many people schedule outdoor investigations at night: Hearing and other senses tend to be heightened when people aren’t distracted by everyday, visual effects. That is, when you’re in the dark, you’re more likely to notice sounds, smells, and so on.

    I’ll do that for public investigations, so the audience gets a better sense of what’s going on. Sounds are one of the most common real-life anomalies when we’re investigating, and the audience will generally notice those — and feel that they’ve had a genuine paranormal experience — when the lights are out.

    Otherwise, I leave the lights on.

    The GHI show was created by the producers of “Ghost Hunters,” not by Jason or Grant. I’m not sure that the GH guys even knew about it, until the GHI show was ready to air. I watched a few GHI episodes for the first time last night, and… well, I can see that there might be an audience for that kind of show.

    It’s lighter, involves more travel and history, and the “haunted” aspects seemed considerably different from what I see when I watch “Ghost Hunters.”

    I’m not sure that I’ll watch GHI very often, but — to be honest — I rarely watch ghost-related TV shows or movies, anyway. I enjoy the research, on-site and especially the historical aspects. The entertainment side of it was fun at first, but I just don’t watch much TV.

    I was also a little disappointed with the GHI show. I’ve met Dustin — just enough to say hello to, when I see him again — and spent considerable time talking with Barry. Barry impressed me because he seems to have a broad scope of knowledge… I think we could talk for hours about ghosts, faeries and many other topics that range between science and folklore. However, the GHI show seemed to focus on him as a technician and sometime-investigator. Maybe it was just the series of episodes they were running as a marathon last night, but I didn’t see the depth of discussions that I know Barry is capable of.

    If I hadn’t turned on the TV with such high expectations, I’d probably feel differently.

    But, talking with as many fans as I do, I can see that GHI will appeal to some people more than “Ghost Hunters” does.

    I hope that helps answer your questions, and I hope to see you at Dragon*Con at Labor Day weekend!

67. Fiona Broome July 9th, 2009 6:30 am :

    Hello, Trusted Souls, and thanks for your comments.

    You mentioned the movie, “An American Haunting.” That’s about the Bell Witch. It’s a great story, but I believe that the death was caused by a living person, not a spirit. I wrote a series of articles about the Bell Witch, long before that movie was made. You can read them, linked from the Tennessee page: http://hollowhill.com/ghosts-of-tennessee/

68. Fiona Broome July 9th, 2009 6:41 am :

    Hi Valerie, and thanks for asking about the meter that Jason and Grant use. I also appreciate your insights.

    The “Ghost Hunters” are using a K-II meter (also spelled K2 meter or K-// meter), which is a very sensitive EMF meter. I’ve used it for conversations as well, and it’s very interesting. Some of our investigators already own them, and I intend to add one or two to our general ghost hunting kit.

    The questions asked… well, I often work intuitively. I get an emotional reaction to certain questions; I can feel whether the ghost likes that line of questioning or not. So, I’ll usually back off from sensitive questions until I feel I have a rapport with the spirit.

    That said, many ghosts don’t seem to believe that they’re dead. If I start out with that question, I may get silence for awhile because the ghost thinks I’m the stupidest person on planet Earth. Of course they’re not “dead” … or so they believe, because they’re still here and they’re still aware of everything.

    It’s tricky to choose questions, and I have a set of questions that I use when I’m researching on my own. I’ll be adding those to Hollow Hill, shortly.

    Thanks for your comments!

69. Michael Luyando July 15th, 2009 7:23 pm :

    I would like Grant and Jason to seroiusly consider this observation that I feel will make the show more realistic. Many times they create the illusion that they have seen shadows while walking and investigation different areas. Wether it is a basement , attic , field , house of any kind of building. Anytime you walk with a flashlight it creates shadows becuase the light hits many different objects which breaks up the light beams. creating imaginary shadow movements which were created by the light and your movements. I challenge the Taps teams to not use flashlights as often or except were they have no choice. I feel more blacklighted and infrared dimly lit rooms would be a great new approach to checking out certain rooms. Allow the cameraman to slowly do the moving as he tries to catch an apparition and allow Jason or Grant to comment on what the camera is trying to find. Your movements with flashlights have become redundant and are making you look foolish. And it is taking away from the the real encounters you have with paranormal energies. In a nut shell it is coming off as fake encounters because moving with a flashlight creates all those shadows ! More stationary situations need to be setup with special dark lighting. Mike Luyando

70. Fiona Broome July 16th, 2009 2:45 pm :

    Michael, I think you make some valid points about investigating with flashlights. Frankly, I think most investigating should be conducted with all the lights on, or all the lights off. (When the latter is required, I recommend night vision equipment rather than flashlights, if possible.)

    I also like your ideas for staging the investigations with the cameraman searching for visual evidence, rather than trying to spot something that was already seen… and has probably vanished by the time the crew gets to it.

71. Carol July 16th, 2009 3:51 pm :

    I have glanced through and read many of the posts. I am an avid watcher of Ghost Hunters and Ghost Hunters International.
    I do not believe that any of it is staged, put on, rehearsed or fake.
    I have personally had many “encounters” with entities. I have been touched, talked to, yelled at, have smelled tobacco – pipe, cigarette, and pot.
    There is one place that I go – I used to have my horse stalled there, and a full apparition – from the top of his straw hat to the bottom of his boots reveals itself to me. This is a man that come to find out, used to own the land, I discribed him to the people that own the land now. I had never seen any pictures of the man or anything. They showed me a picture after the second time I saw him and he was standing in the spot I saw him in, with a pipe in his one hand and shovel in the other.
    Do I believe ? You bet cha! He has also spoken to me – very clearly.
    A couple of friends of mine and I are planning a trip and we will be taking cameras and recording devises
    I will keep ya’ll updated – oh and I have a woman and a man that come and go out of my house like they still live there………….oh wait, they do! LOL only in a different form……………………..

72. CrashTammie July 17th, 2009 12:26 pm :

    I agree with your article. Well written and well intentioned. Unless you have met these two guys, unless you’ve been on investigations on your own (or with those two guys) you have no room to openly judge the genuiness of their investigations.

    I’ve never met J&G, but I agree with Fiona.

73. MM July 19th, 2009 7:45 am :

    Ghost Hunters is the only “reality” TV I watch. I thoroughly enjoy it. I don’t question any specific happening on the show. Lately though, I have begun to question the pattern the capturing of evidence seems to follow.

    Show after show, Jason and Grant get the good stuff. They hear the audible disembodied voice. In their hands the FLIR reveals beings walking around. They get the tape of really visible shadow people. When they are not even trying, their tapes reveal the significant EVP’s. Ghosts light up their flashlights and EMF detectors showing intelligent interaction.

    Steve and Tango record some noises, and manage to debunk some of them. They have personal experiences, play pranks on one another, and crawl into loathsome places.

    Chris and Kris? They see things, but it’s never caught on tape, and they feel something touch them, but of course that isn’t evidence. If they have some of the cool toys, the batteries go dead. If I were them, I’d get discouraged.

    I’m not saying Ghost Hunters is faked, but I do begin to question how predictable the capturing of quality evidence is.

74. RSM July 20th, 2009 12:24 pm :

    Your comments that include both sides of the situation do make sense. The one thing that still continues to bug me about this episode of Ghosthunters is the fact that when Grant was walking out of the frame, the jacket collar gets the same strong “tug”, yet no big reaction was made by Grant. He wasn’t “jerked”, he didn’t even acknowledge that particular tug, and he continued to talk out of the scene as if nothing had happened. I don’t buy the comment made about something manifesting enough to push Grant – every single time his collar was supposedly tugged. That can happen, yes, but he made it look as if it happened every time he was tugged, except for the last tug that had no effect on him whatsoever as he walked out of the scene. Ironic how he acted so dramatic the first few times, and the last one, as he assumes he’s out of the camera, the jacket collar is tugged just as hard and with no reaction from Grant.

    I, too, am a “professional” paranormal investigator, researcher and writer. I have been featured on television programs involving ghosts and hauntings enough to know that none of these “reality” ghost hunting shows are 100% true and accurate. I know many good people who, for the sake of being successful on a TV series, will agree with the producers and directors to “create” situations to make it look more exciting than it is. Any true ghost hunter or investigator is full aware of the situations that CAN arise, but are also just as aware of their rarity. They also know the difference between Hollywood and actuality.

75. Bobby Elgee July 23rd, 2009 7:47 pm :

    TAPS filmed an episode of Ghost Hunters at the Amos J. Blake Museum, the museum of the Fitzwilliam Historical Society in Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire last week or so (July 2009.)

    It caused some controversy–though through no fault of TAPS–and it was reported in the local paper (Keene Sentinel) that the Board of Directors didn’t even know they were going to be there, nor were they aware of who signed the release allowing TAPS to film in the location in the first place. The museums curator–who participated in the filming–refused to comment.

    I’m intimately familiar with this location, having investigated it on multiple occasions. TAPS accorded themselves professionally in this situation, though it appears others may not have.

    I’ve posted several pointed, but factual, articles about this event that are creating quite a stir in certain circles. They can be viewed on my groups blog at our Web site (Sights Unseen Paranormal).

    They can also be found by searching for TAPS and the Amos J. Blake House Museum on google or other search engine.

    As far as do I think TAPS fakes evidence or not….I’m unsure at this point. I’m certainly seen them make some mistakes, and, though Jason and Grant seem legit, I find it hard to completely trust a television show that is produced for entertainment. I’d hate to think Jason and Grant would sell out.

    I’m definitely interested in their investigation of this museum, as I feel some of the evidence presented about the museum has been HIGHLY exaggerated.

    Sincerely,

    Bobby Elgee; Sights Unseen Paranormal

76. Justin Whitebear July 24th, 2009 12:02 am :

    I like the show very much because it is the only paranormal show that doesn’t openly present BS. No psychics running around sensing ghosts and saying it is evidence. The entire team doesn’t scream when they hear a sound and they debunk a lot of possible evidence. The crux of the fake or not fake argument is belief. Either GH is faking evidence to get ratings or it is not. If they are faking evidence, they are doing a very poor job of it. I could come up with much better ideas of fake evidence that would wow viewers. Also, why would they have so many shows where they find almost nothing? If you think a producer at Sci Fi has went along with the idea of having virtually nothing found in 60% of the shows in order to help the series, you need a reality check. Secondly, the Sci Fi guys have proven to be superb editers. Don’t you think they could edit out any evidence of their fakes? Case in point, Collargate. Why even show Grant’s hand at the bottom of his jacket? Any YouTube Smo could do a better job of cropping the shot. But in the end, it comes down to belief. I believe they are honestly investigating. I have no choice but to believe in ghosts. I have seen them on many occaisions and I have seen good evidence of them from many different sources. If you are sure the GH is faking evidence: 1 Stop watching and find something besides crapping on GH to fill your obviously empty lives. 2. Realize that science proved that Oswald was the only shooter AND it proved that he didn’t fire a single shot. 3. Start playing bridge. In that game your expected to argue over every little detail and accuse people of cheating.

77. rny July 24th, 2009 11:13 pm :

    well what i could add up is about TAPS is the issue about the hanger steve was on the couch and his partner where on the bed and the closet where beside them, the hanger flew infront of steve and coming from his partner on the bed the hanger should be coming from their side and not coming from steve’s partner laying on the bed

78. jeez July 29th, 2009 12:08 am :

    I didn’t even bother reading all of this: a bunch of nonsense. The only thing I will point out that will justify all is that you “trust the integrity of the SciFi channel”. The name of the channel refers clearly to Science FICTION: fake, not reality. Also, never does SciFi say the show is real or legitimate. The show captures viewers and provides brief moments of mediocre suspense, but thats all it does. That’s it, and all I have to say.

79. Fiona Broome July 29th, 2009 6:20 am :

    Justin, that’s a great comment about bridge! (I also like the Oswald reference. Good one!)

    (That said, I’ve heard a rumor that at least one upcoming episode of GH will feature a psychic. I hope the rumors aren’t true, because I’ll have difficulty defending that… for many reasons.)

80. Fiona Broome July 29th, 2009 6:33 am :

    RSM, I’m not sure what to think about the final, ignored tug.

    All I can say is, after a ghost taunts me a few times, I tend to ignore it, too. Mentally, I’m thinking, “Yeah, that startled me the first couple of times. Find something more interesting to do, please… something that couldn’t be faked and will be evidence I can actually use.”

    I trust Jason and Grant. Beyond that, I don’t know anyone else associated with GH… not well enough to vouch for their integrity.

    When production companies were calling me to do a TV series, back when GH was still new, I turned down every one of them. I said I’d recreate something that actually happened to me, but I wouldn’t pretend something that never happened. Each time, that was the end of the discussion. So, like you, I know that no show is likely to be 100% true and accurate.

    As popularity falters for all ghost shows, I think we’ll see more troubling moments created by rating-driven producers and crews. That’s one reason why I rarely watch ghost-related shows now.

    It’s also why I’m focusing on research and writing now, and making fewer appearances on TV and at “ghost hunts” organized as entertainment. You and I have been in this field since before it became trendy, and we’ll be around long after the ratings- and money-driven people move on to other fads. At this point, I’m looking forward to that.

    Thanks for your thoughtful comments!

81. Jordan July 29th, 2009 11:02 pm :

    I noticed that when something happens that make the people jump the camera man never jumps….

82. Fiona Broome July 30th, 2009 9:47 am :

    Hi Jordan, Most cameramen I’ve met are very proud of how steady they are, even when they’re actually terrified by what’s going on. They shift their attention to lighting and how the images are framed, and do their best to pretend that everything is perfectly normal. In many years of participating in TV shows, I’ve only seen a cameraman run in fright once, and that’s because he thought it was all nonsense until the ghosts tampered with his camera.

83. Ok not a fan July 31st, 2009 3:55 pm :

    Sorry but I have found that people that are “good friends “are not open to the fact that people do change. I stopped watching all the shows and looking forward to Syfy or whatever they are now. Will start showing good shows.
    If your such a good friend of Jason and Grant. How do they feel about all those people losing their money to Mr. Fair (spelled right?) Tapscon2009? They paid and have asked for their money back and so far only a few have received the refund. Right now a lot of people don’t have jobs and that money would be very helpful. Let J/G know this is not Ron from SciFake. Just someone who just happened to see the site and was shock by what I saw. I know that money changes people so do J/G feel they are above everyone right now? The reason I ask this is I am seeing a lot of bad things all over the internet on them. I like them when they first started, and now I can’t wait for them to be off the air.

84. Fiona Broome August 4th, 2009 10:14 am :

    You’re right, “Ok not a fan,” people do change. I’ve learned (the hard way) to be very cautious about who I endorse and who I trust as real. However, until I see something more compelling (and negative) about Jason and Grant, or a significant change in their friendship with me, I’ll continue to trust them.

    If I see a change, I’ll stop saying that I trust them. In this field, integrity is one of our most valuable assets, and I can’t jeopardize my credibility by supporting people who… well, are (or become) more entertainers than researchers.

    But, so far (early Aug 2009), I’ve seen nothing in person to suggest that success has changed either Jason or Grant.

    Regarding conventions that have used the TAPS name: You keep posting as if Jason or Grant are reading this. As far as I know, they’re not, and we don’t usually “talk shop” when we have time together. We talk about our hobbies, our families, and so on.

    We’re friends, not co-workers. I’ve never been on their show and I’m not sure that I’d want to be. (I’m not thrilled with a lot of publicity. I like my privacy. My slogan is: I’d rather be a footnote than see my name in lights. In other words, I’d rather be “famous” for my research, period. I don’t even watch much TV.)

    As far as I know — and this is only from snippets of conversations, so I could be mistaken — the TAPS name was used by at least one person without authorization. As long as everything was handled well, that was a little troubling but no big deal. When the organizers didn’t manage things as well as they might have, TAPS set a policy of not allowing future events (organized by others) to use the TAPS name.

    Frankly, I don’t watch TV very often. I don’t visit the TAPS website. My Google Alerts focus on research-related terms, not the entertainment industry. I definitely don’t visit websites that gossip or rant about Jason or Grant. So, I can’t address what’s being said.

    I’m in this field because I’m interested in paranormal phenomena. I’m looking for answers. Thanks to Jason and Grant and the popularity of GH and GHI, we have new tools that are bringing us closer to understanding what is unexplained and what’s odd but normal.

    Mostly, I like them as friends, and I like their families. I absolutely love the Spalding Inn… as a place to relax and enjoy the fresh mountain air. I visit there often to set up my easel and paint the gorgeous views around the hotel. (Yes, I think it’s haunted, but that’s not why I go there. In fact, I visit the Spalding to get away from work.)

    That said, if I thought Jason or Grant were con artists or party to scams, I’d stop associating with them in a blink. I’ve had to do that in the past, with other people who turned out to be… well, less than what they claimed.

    I’m interested in the research breakthroughs that Jason and Grant (and the TAPS team) uncover. I’m equally interested in what Barry Fitzgerald (no relation to me, as far as I know) of GHI is discovering.

    The entertainment side of paranormal research has been a necessary evil, as far as I can tell. And, with a shrinking audience (for all ghost-related shows and websites, not specifically GH or GHI), I’m seeing some highly unattractive efforts among some to maintain popularity.

    I care nothing about ratings or popularity. I’m truly not interested in TV shows or any aspect of the entertainment industry… just the research that can result. I’m flattered that people read what I write, and I created this website to encourage others to get involved in this field. I’m now working on books to share more of my research with people in the field, and help them make discoveries.

    But, my relationship with Jason and Grant is mostly non-professional. We met years ago when we were both Guests at a convention. Frankly, I didn’t expect to like them… but I did, and that friendship has continued for the past four or five years.

    I’ve become cautious, and even hypersensitive to any associations that could jeopardize the respect I’ve earned. I also lived in Hollywood for years, with many friends in the industry, so I’m aware of what goes on when ratings are in peril.

    So far, I’ve seen nothing that makes me doubt the integrity of either Jason or Grant. I hope that it stays that way.

85. DIANA August 10th, 2009 1:41 pm :

    HI LUV YOUR SHOW. I’D LIKE TO KNOW WHY YOU GUYS ONLY STAY ONE NIGHT. DON’T YOU WANT TO KEEP ON AND GET MORE STUFF? OF COURSE I HAVE A BIG FASTINATION WITH ALL THIS STUFF, DO YOU EVER JUST TAKE ANYBODY WITH YOU? I WOULD LOVE TO BE A PART PF THAT!!! ALSO, ARE YOU GUYS SCARED? AFTER ALL YOU BEEN THROUGH IT WOULD’NT BE SCAREY.I WOULD EALLY LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU. I’M 60YR. AND LOOKING FOR THIS KIND OF ADVENTURE. THX

86. Andre August 12th, 2009 3:31 pm :

    I am from Rhode Island, the state where TAPS is located and where TAPS originated. i’ve been to several of the local places they have investigated and have been on televeision and I knwo for a fact, no its not fake at all.

87. Cassandra August 12th, 2009 5:56 pm :

    I found this site recently and I had to LOL when I read ” Not a Fans” List of the type of people that watched GH.
    1. Under 18
    2. People over 18 still living at home.
    3. Shut ins (sic)
    4. Drunk, Drugs or more
    5. Just plain stupid

    As a 48 yr old Registered Intensive Care Nurse working in a large metropolitan teaching hospital I can honestly say that I do not qualify for 1, 2 or 3 of the classification. I am required to take drug tests as part of my employment so 4 is out. As a college graduate and working in a field that requires excellent judgment and making live and death decisions quickly I refute that I “am just plain stupid”

    So who am I? I am a woman that as quietly had her own experiences with the supernatural over the years. My first experience was at the age of nine, my second at sixteen. I know what I saw, and I know what I experienced. I don’t know Grant or Jason personally. But they do not need to prove anything to me. I take everything on the show on its own merits. That is what each of us should do. Some evidence may make perfect sense to me; some evidence may even go as far as proof to me. While other folks would throw it out. I think the show is about presenting what information (evidence) it finds at a location and letting each of us make up out own mind about how we feel about it.

    There are many shows that I watched and thought were fake, but I then stopped watching them. Life is too short to find ways to tear others down over material that care never be proven one way or another. If you do not like the show, then watch something else. Just a thought.

    Signed,

    1. Over 18
    2. Raising People over 18 still living at home.
    3. Working 4 10-hour shifts a week saving lives.
    4. Drink a beer on weekends, Dispense drugs for Critical ill patients and MORE
    5. Just plain able to think for myself.

    judgment I would say I am not “Just plain stupid”

88. wanda August 12th, 2009 7:01 pm :

    thanks for the input. weird things have happened to me so why not the ghost hunters team? keep up the good work

89. Bobby Elgee August 13th, 2009 5:20 pm :

    Here’s a link to an article discussing the controversy caused by TAPS recent filming at the Amos J. Blake Museum in Fitzwiliam, NH in July. The episode will probably air in October 2009. I investigated this location multiple times, along with multiple other groups.

    Personally, I believe several paranormal groups–including one founded by the curator of this museum– grossly exaggerated evidence at the museum, partially to get TAPS attention–and it worked.

    http://thebeyond.info/articles/2009/07/18/taps-visits-amos-j-blake-museum/

90. Andrew Keeler August 14th, 2009 5:01 pm :

    ok to SETTLE THE GRANT and JASON DEBATE FOR GOOD.. I have been an avid ghost hunter out here in las vegas nevada for about 5 years and have encountered situations similar to this so i will explain to the skeptics and arm chair scientists what is probably happening here.

    Now in the episode i will admit that yes it does look pretty questionable but if anyone has ever
    experienced paranormal activity can admit things happen that dont add up.

    For example I have been touched in a couple diffrent investigations and even had film of it. when i went
    back to review it NOTHING on my body had moved. Even slightly. You have to understand the ghost
    activity is not the same as physical activity. Being hit by a entity is not the same as being hit by someone.

    Now secondly I dont think Grant ever said he was pulled off his feet but was like most people thinking someone or something grabbed his collar which like most investigators would probably react to. In fact
    many times on an investigation i pulled the same kinda maneuver when i saw something down a hallway or heard something to try and keep my position the same.

    And finnally and the most damning evidence to the fact that this was not faked is WHY THE HELL would
    Grant risk his career of almost 10 years or more for a fucking collar being tugged? If they REALLY wanted to fake evidence im pretty fucking sure we would being seing the devil himself or someinthg absolutley undeniable before something as petty as that. I mean think about it logically and OBJECTIVELY why of all
    times ESPECCIALLY on a LIVE SHOW would they fake something so obvious? WHy not stick to just the stuff
    that couldnt be denied. I mean come on Jay and Grant KNOW how badly skeptical their audience can be and have repeatedly thrown out pretty good evidence on that fact. The simple fact remains that they had so little to gain and so much to lost from that. And honestly if they where in it for the money like some people want to say than why was thier first season in a trailer? BECUASE THEY NEVER TOOK MONEY FOR INVESTIGATIONS. Some skeptics are just as bad as some belivers in that they will take anything and run with it as far as possible.

    All i have to say is until you have actually been out in the field doing REAL paranormal research you have NO idea what its like. Nothing makes sence and you almost get used to the whole fact that your in the twilight zone. IN my personal opinion they DID NOT FAKE IT, period. Want more ? How about their Queen mary investigation? When someone actually faked evidence and they discovered it and where pissed. Honestly It just doesnt add up that they would stake so much on something as silly as a supposed string down a jacket.

91. Recon Marine August 16th, 2009 8:10 pm :

    Fiona

    I have been a GH fan for it’s entire run, and by extension an avid fan of TAPS. I stumbled upon this website by accident when I began a personal quest for the truth after seeing some of the alternate evidence posted by people who have been refuting Grant’s claims.

    I have a major problem with some of the things you have said in your posts:

    1. You keep expressing this great “personal relationship” with Jason and Grant, yet you say you have never met anyone else in the production crew. How is that possible? They have been followed around by the same production people for five years. They have been using the same GH members in various capacities for much longer than that….. yet you do not know any of them? How is it, that you with all of your experience have never been mentioned? As a guest, a source, or a participant? I mean GH has introduced the audience to nearly every TAPS family member over the years, from episodes with the family cook outs, to the guest appearances from members, and celebrities all over the United States, and the World for that matter. So why don’t we know you?

    I mean many people know you, but why don’t we know you as in relationship to the TAPS people or the GH show?

    2. You say “Ghost Hunters is not TAPS”, that is patently false, since the entire concept and premise of the show is surrounded by the TAPS offices, and the various employees who perform case manager duties over the years locating sites for TAPS to investigate. TAPS is without a doubt intertwined with GH in every aspect.

    3. You were given evidence to review. Evidence that provided at least one persons proof that Grant is a lair, and that on at least one occasion he has duped his audience, his team, the client, and the public in general. Yet you used a cop-out, and off handed sarcasm to excuse yourself from reviewing the evidence.

    Isn’t this just a little bit ironic? I mean you have spent a better part of your life searching for answers about issues of the after life, and paranormal experiences. Time after time you have used video, photography, audio, and personal experiences to offer proof and evidence. So how exactly is it that you can sit here and refuse to review that same kind of evidence when it refutes what you believe in?

    The video evidence clearly supports that the EVP came from a recording device from someone on the site, because it was heard by the TAPS members, the guest investigators, the production staff, and the director in their ear pieces and headsets…..Why would you offer a rebuttal in defense of an event, when you refuse to examine the evidence?

    The video evidence also supports that Grant was acting oddly, that he was continually adjusting his collar prior to, and after the “coat tugging”.

    I have participated in OPs where people were pulled aside and interrogated on less visual evidence than the behavior Grant displayed that night. And none of the police officers you know would stand in front of you and tell you they would refuse to examine exculpatory evidence in a case for or against the validity of an event,….and still call themselves objective.

    And isn’t that what you are supposed to be, is objective?

    And isn’t that what you have been expressing all your life?….for people to listen to you, and be open minded and objective?

    The evidence against Grant goes far beyond the live event on Halloween. The evidence for the lamp at the Stanley Hotel is very damning, did you bother to look at that either?

    The evidence against Grant as the mysterious “soldier in the hat” in the morgue is again overwhelming, did you look at that?

    The “shadow man” at Eastern State, where the leg and shoe were clearly visible in the original unedited footage, did you look at that.

    You talk so much about knowing the program and Jason and Grant, then why is it a surprise to you that a “future” episode might have a psychic? The original show used a psychic and a demonologist as interviewers and investigators.

    I will give you a couple of points though, the Queen Mary was an inside job, and I do not believe anyone at TAPS had a hand in that. I do not think that Jason, or Steve, or any other TAPS member knowingly supports Grants antics. Also the live shows are totally ambiguous of the regular case work. Because the live shows have to be stopped and started with people doing exactly what they were doing and how they were doing it when they cut away for commercials. So they issues of “staging” might be true to an extent. It is no more staged than a live televised concert, or cooking show. There is all kinds of movement and in-continuity in the breaks, so the shuffling around didn’t effect the reality in the least.

    My problem with what you have been saying is you call yourself an investigator, yet readily admit you refuse to look at evidence, based on something so benign as the language used by the production crew in presenting it.

    Yet you fault others who do the same from the other side of the coin…

    Hypocritical does not even begin to describe your flawed stance about this issue.

    Semper Fi

92. Marilyn Gaites August 17th, 2009 4:51 pm :

    It’s a fact that people always believe what they want to, whatever makes them feel good. They can and will always have a “logical” explanation for it. It really doesn’t matter what you believe as long as no one gets hurt by it. If you want to believe people you know OR people you see on TV and have never met are the most fine, upstanding people in the universe, so be it. No one will ever convince you otherwise. That goes for belief in “ghosts” or belief that the world is flat or that there will be peace in the Middle East. You can take the liberal point of view and let no facts get in the way of what you want to believe.

93. Fiona Broome August 19th, 2009 6:59 am :

    Thanks for a good laugh, Cassandra… as well as some very thoughtful points!

94. Fiona Broome August 19th, 2009 7:01 am :

    Hello, Diana! I’m not part of the show, but appreciate your comments. I can’t speak for the show, but I believe it’s edited to look as if they stay less time than they sometimes do. Visit the TAPS.com website for info about their events and open investigations by the TAPS team and associated groups.

95. Charlotte August 20th, 2009 8:29 pm :

    I love Ghost Hunters. It is the only show on TV I just love sitting and watching anymore. That team is just awesome. I work in a haunted place and i’ve seen things myself. I’m still trying to come up with how to get them in without to many knowing. At least it would make me feel better. I know just by how Jason and Grant is, that neither one of them would ever fake a episode. Sometimes one just knows. There is another Ghost hunter one on television and I just don’t like him or his mouth. I also like GHI. But Jason and Grant are just *it*. Me and my Fiancee look forward to wednesday nights just to watch them. Keep up the great work! Alcatraz would be a great place to check out. Unless that was an episode I missed.
    See you all next wedneday!

96. DM August 21st, 2009 12:20 pm :

    Fiona,

    I wanted to get your thoughts about provoking spirits. On the season premiere of Ghost Hunters, Jason and Grant seek out to provoke what might be an inhuman entity. I always thought that provocation of spirits, even as a last resort, is frowned upon by the paranormal investigation community. This investigation took place in a residential home and I think that the conclusion that Jason and Grant came to poses a safety risk to the homeowner.

97. Rick McClelland August 22nd, 2009 8:44 am :

    I’ve met the TAPs team and they are as honest as the day is long. I too believe the voice was a set-up but not by the hands of TAPS or the Sci Fi producers. I believe the Fort caretakers might have further information on this subject. The jacket pull. It doesn’t get any better then that. Excellent catch. Enjoy it because it’s real.

98. Recon Marine August 27th, 2009 2:38 am :

    Nice way to censor the thread to suit your own twisted idea of what is right and wrong.

    Must be great to be a cowardly bitch, and obviously a fraud.

    Semper Fi

99. Fiona Broome August 28th, 2009 7:46 am :

    I’ve approved the Marine’s comment for a reason. I believe that it deserves a reply, in case there is any confusion about why I’ve closed this thread.

    Am I a fraud? If I’m wrong about ghosts, a better word might be “stupid” or “naive,” but I’m the first to admit — and possibly (regretfully) antagonize the daylights out of some people in this field — that none of us can prove much about ghosts, one way or the other. We can document the phenomena, and the most likely explanation is: It looks like we’re dealing with ghosts. But, all of us could be wrong. Until we have good, scientific evidence, anything is possible.

    For example, it’s possible that we’re sometimes dealing with side effects of subterranean water. UK studies have shown that, where there are underground streams or springs, the low-level sounds tend to disorient people so they interpret odd (but normal) phenomena as paranormal. (That sound could also explain why some pets balk at entering “haunted” locations.)

    It’s possible that we’re dealing with parallel realities (ref. quantum studies and unified field theory), and the “ghosts” are actually alive and well, but in their own time. Or maybe there are beings in other worlds who are using anomalies to play pranks on us, making us think we’re encountering ghosts.

    Or, there could be far more mundane, everyday explanations for what we think are ghosts. I’d be terribly disappointed, of course, but I’m looking for the truth… whatever it is.

    So, if you want to call me a fraud because you think I’m wrong… maybe I am. Plenty of people have accused me of being “weird” or “twisted” just because I’m interested in ghosts, so I suppose that label may fit, too.

    However, I don’t lie. I gave that up when I was about five years old… I am simply terrible at lying, and never seemed to fool anyone. So, I rarely even try. (That said, I’ve been appalled when I realized that a few people in this field — a very tiny minority — aren’t as honest they could be. That’s why I wrote my article, Scams and Con Artists. )

    I am an admitted coward. If I was genuinely afraid of ghosts or the phenomena that I encounter, I’d be the first person out the door. I think of ghosts as real people, but in another dimension or world. They don’t scare me. If they did, I wouldn’t be involved in ghost research. (For the record, I don’t watch scary movies or TV shows, I don’t read Stephen King novels, and I don’t go on most “dark” theme park attractions and won’t go on roller coasters.)

    So, I’m not courageous… not like the people who put their lives on the line, every day, defending principles far more important than whether or not it’s a ghost at such-and-such a location.

    Keeping this issue in perspective is vital; when ghost hunters (in general, not the TV show) take themselves too seriously, we all lose credibility.

    The censorship question is also important to answer.

    Originally, I wrote this article to save myself time. I was receiving hundreds of emails asking if that particular episode of Ghost Hunters was fake. Though I didn’t watch the show (and generally don’t watch any ghost-related TV shows), I do know Jason and Grant away from the show. So, as an “old timer” in ghost hunting and someone who trusts Jason & Grant’s integrity, I wanted to reply to the emails with one post, and then get back to my research.

    Instead, I’ve kept receiving comments… and replied to them because I like to answer people’s comments and questions when I can. It seems the polite thing to do. So, I didn’t save time, after all.

    Also, I created this website in the 1990s to share how-to information about ghost hunting, period. That was years before the Ghost Hunters TV show, etc. I’m interested in research, not entertainment, and I’d rather not spend time discussing TV shows when I could be contributing to the real work in this field. This was intended as a one-time post, and that’s all.

    So, in July, I let people know that I’d soon close this article to comments. I kept waiting for a lull, since I know that closing comments can result in losing about 10 recent comments. (That may be a WordPress issue or related to the WordPress theme that I use.) That was never (and still isn’t) supposed to be censorship.

    But, we’re almost in “ghost season” now. This year, it started in late July. The media contact me for interviews, people want me to make personal appearances, and so on.

    I’m already working 12- to 14-hour days, many days. (I’m not asking for sympathy. I do this work because I enjoy it.) The extra, seasonal work — including my increased research during this active time — requires more time, and that has to come from somewhere.

    So, I’ve considered closing the site to comments altogether. I may yet do that. However, I want to try leaving most threads open… but not reply to them, personally. I’m a rather rabid First Amendment rights advocate, so I’d like to maintain Hollow Hill as an open forum, if possible. The only comments that I delete are those that include libelous statements or are far off-topic (dating services, pharmaceuticals, gambling websites, etc.).

    My dilemma is… my time. How do I use it to best help those who are seriously interested in ghost hunting?

    This week, I’ve finally resumed podcasts. I’m going to try to add a new podcast every second Friday. I’m not sure that I can maintain that schedule, but I’m going to try.

    But, as I compare the number of people I can reach with more research, more writing and new podcasts, and how many I reach with individual replies to email and comments… well, the decision should be easy. (For me, it’s not, because I want to reply to everyone.)

    I checked the definition of “censor” and the 1644 meaning was, “An official whose duty it is to inspect books, journals, plays, etc., before publication, to secure that they shall contain nothing immoral, heretical, or offensive or injurious…”

    With that in mind, I suppose that I do censor comments, since I don’t approve anything that could badly insult someone, or land me (and the person who commented) in a lawsuit for libel. I also remove words that’d be bleeped on most TV shows.

    So, regarding censorship, I’ll leave that decision to those who read this. From my view, the label sort-of applies… and yet it doesn’t.

    Mostly, I hope this explains more clearly why I’ve closed this thread. And, while I appreciate additional comments, I hope people will respect my time and let this conclude what’s been a very interesting thread, with many important ideas to consider. (If it wasn’t, I’d have deleted the entire thread when I closed this article to comments.)

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