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		<title>By: Kevin Meares</title>
		<link>http://hollowhill.com/scams-and-con-artists/comment-page-1/#comment-3323</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Meares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 03:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very well done article that I agree completely with.  Sadly this field has a number (more in my oppinion then you seem to think but that may be a product of my own specialization)of con artists in it.  While I haven&#039;t had to deal with many who prey upon investigation groups (a few I&#039;ll admit) I have seen ones that prey on clients.  Theres a certain group I won&#039;t name that claims to be experts on demonology for example that charge over a thousand dollars to come to your home for a consultation which is unacceptable unless the distance involved is extremely high,  There are also a wide range of  self proclaimed psychics, ceremonial magicians, gypsies and other &quot;occult&quot; practicioners (not that their are not legitimate people in this field) who will charge thousands of dollars to cast demons out of your house or break a curse.  I will say that for many locations I can understand charging for investigations.  An excelent example of this is Eastern State Pennitentiary in PHiladelphia PA that charges last I checked 50 dollars a person an hour.  The reason I can understand this is simple Eastern, like many historical sites, is having a very difficult time financially right now (lets face it almost everywhere is  thanks to the mess our economy is in) and they need whatever sources of income they can find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very well done article that I agree completely with.  Sadly this field has a number (more in my oppinion then you seem to think but that may be a product of my own specialization)of con artists in it.  While I haven&#8217;t had to deal with many who prey upon investigation groups (a few I&#8217;ll admit) I have seen ones that prey on clients.  Theres a certain group I won&#8217;t name that claims to be experts on demonology for example that charge over a thousand dollars to come to your home for a consultation which is unacceptable unless the distance involved is extremely high,  There are also a wide range of  self proclaimed psychics, ceremonial magicians, gypsies and other &#8220;occult&#8221; practicioners (not that their are not legitimate people in this field) who will charge thousands of dollars to cast demons out of your house or break a curse.  I will say that for many locations I can understand charging for investigations.  An excelent example of this is Eastern State Pennitentiary in PHiladelphia PA that charges last I checked 50 dollars a person an hour.  The reason I can understand this is simple Eastern, like many historical sites, is having a very difficult time financially right now (lets face it almost everywhere is  thanks to the mess our economy is in) and they need whatever sources of income they can find.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona Broome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona Broome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nellie,

I should probably have clarified what I was saying. I agree with you.

I have no problem when anyone is charging reasonably expenses for whatever they&#039;re providing, on either side of this.  

For example:

	If someone wants me to investigate a site that&#039;s over 100 miles away, I want them to cover my travel expenses.  (That said, my &lt;em&gt;current&lt;/em&gt; work rarely involves investigating private homes or businesses at the owners&#039; requests.)


	If a site has to pay staff or even extra heat, a/c, and/or electric bills, I think it&#039;s reasonable for them to charge&lt;em&gt; if &lt;/em&gt;they&#039;re opening the site at the request of the investigating team.  (If the site is requesting an investigation to clarify a possible &lt;em&gt;haunt&lt;/em&gt; at the site, that&#039;s a different matter.)

I understand a site requiring a damage deposit, as well.

But, if it&#039;s an event -- something open to the public -- and significant profits are involved, I think everyone who&#039;s part of the event should have their expenses covered, at the very least.  (However, when it&#039;s a fundraiser for an historical site or other non-profit, I generally waive any fee and return most or all they&#039;ve paid to cover my travel expenses.)

Where I have a &lt;em&gt;big&lt;/em&gt; problem is when a site is charging $1000+ for an overnight investigation that simply involves unlocking the building, and there are no other expenses (real or potential) for the site.  

My concerns are compounded if the site isn&#039;t especially active and/or if groups are trooping through there weekly.  In my opinion, there&#039;s a good chance that the visits will dilute the energy and make serious investigations less productive.  (By contrast, if people are just there for a &quot;good scare,&quot; the residual energy of successive, frightened individuals can actually &lt;em&gt;increase&lt;/em&gt; the activity.)

As I said, I&#039;m nodding in agreement with everything you&#039;re saying, and I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my earlier statement.  Sometimes I post in haste, and don&#039;t realize how general my comments may sound, especially to people who don&#039;t know me in real life.

Cheerfully,
Fiona</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nellie,</p>
<p>I should probably have clarified what I was saying. I agree with you.</p>
<p>I have no problem when anyone is charging reasonably expenses for whatever they&#8217;re providing, on either side of this.  </p>
<p>For example:</p>
<p>	If someone wants me to investigate a site that&#8217;s over 100 miles away, I want them to cover my travel expenses.  (That said, my <em>current</em> work rarely involves investigating private homes or businesses at the owners&#8217; requests.)</p>
<p>	If a site has to pay staff or even extra heat, a/c, and/or electric bills, I think it&#8217;s reasonable for them to charge<em> if </em>they&#8217;re opening the site at the request of the investigating team.  (If the site is requesting an investigation to clarify a possible <em>haunt</em> at the site, that&#8217;s a different matter.)</p>
<p>I understand a site requiring a damage deposit, as well.</p>
<p>But, if it&#8217;s an event &#8212; something open to the public &#8212; and significant profits are involved, I think everyone who&#8217;s part of the event should have their expenses covered, at the very least.  (However, when it&#8217;s a fundraiser for an historical site or other non-profit, I generally waive any fee and return most or all they&#8217;ve paid to cover my travel expenses.)</p>
<p>Where I have a <em>big</em> problem is when a site is charging $1000+ for an overnight investigation that simply involves unlocking the building, and there are no other expenses (real or potential) for the site.  </p>
<p>My concerns are compounded if the site isn&#8217;t especially active and/or if groups are trooping through there weekly.  In my opinion, there&#8217;s a good chance that the visits will dilute the energy and make serious investigations less productive.  (By contrast, if people are just there for a &#8220;good scare,&#8221; the residual energy of successive, frightened individuals can actually <em>increase</em> the activity.)</p>
<p>As I said, I&#8217;m nodding in agreement with everything you&#8217;re saying, and I appreciate the opportunity to clarify my earlier statement.  Sometimes I post in haste, and don&#8217;t realize how general my comments may sound, especially to people who don&#8217;t know me in real life.</p>
<p>Cheerfully,<br />
Fiona</p>
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		<title>By: Nellie Kampmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nellie Kampmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 02:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiona wrote &quot;However, if they want serious researchers to investigate and confirm (or refute) the hauntings, the sites should be paying the researchers, not the other way around.&quot;

Aside from the places that charge exorbitant amounts, I would not consider this to be a scam, though.

I&#039;ve worked in a few haunted places and I&#039;ve found that while they may be interested in having research done, it is in no way a priority for them that they would ever consider paying anyone to do it.  They generally already know the place is haunted and getting proof is a matter of mild curiosity.

On the flip side, all of the haunted places I have worked at get a LOT of requests to do investigations there.  What investigators don&#039;t generally realize is that it takes staff time to deal with that.  I work in a small historical house museum that has 3 regular staff members, none of whom work for full time pay despite often putting in full time hours just to make sure that  the basic work gets done.  Allowing someone in to do an investigation would require having at least one staff member be on site during the investigation for security purposes.  For insurance purposes, this would have to be a paid staff member, not just a volunteer.  The museum could not afford to pay them for the overtime, nor could it count as part of their regular work hours.  So, they would have to be willing to do it on a unpaid basis.  We get at least 2 requests a week from groups wanting to do investigations there.  Even just the time it takes to handle the inquiries adds up.  If they did allow the investigations, you also have to factor in the amount of staff time it takes to interview the investigators to make sure that they aren&#039;t just thrill seekers, do a reference check, and to set up the investigations.  Most places just don&#039;t have the staffing to handle that.  Even the large historic theater I used to work at dreaded getting inquiries about doing paranormal investigations there because they simply did not have the manpower to cover the extra work it would cause them.  They did break down and compromise this past year by offering a ghost tour and classic horror movie package on Halloween for $20.

My experience is with the non-profit sector, but with the economy the way it is, it&#039;s probably the same case in the for-profit sector.

If anyone wants more insight into why museums have the policies they do regarding paranormal research and how to work more effectively with them, I have a blog about that up at http://hauntedhistorycolumbus.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-to-work-with-museums.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiona wrote &#8220;However, if they want serious researchers to investigate and confirm (or refute) the hauntings, the sites should be paying the researchers, not the other way around.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aside from the places that charge exorbitant amounts, I would not consider this to be a scam, though.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked in a few haunted places and I&#8217;ve found that while they may be interested in having research done, it is in no way a priority for them that they would ever consider paying anyone to do it.  They generally already know the place is haunted and getting proof is a matter of mild curiosity.</p>
<p>On the flip side, all of the haunted places I have worked at get a LOT of requests to do investigations there.  What investigators don&#8217;t generally realize is that it takes staff time to deal with that.  I work in a small historical house museum that has 3 regular staff members, none of whom work for full time pay despite often putting in full time hours just to make sure that  the basic work gets done.  Allowing someone in to do an investigation would require having at least one staff member be on site during the investigation for security purposes.  For insurance purposes, this would have to be a paid staff member, not just a volunteer.  The museum could not afford to pay them for the overtime, nor could it count as part of their regular work hours.  So, they would have to be willing to do it on a unpaid basis.  We get at least 2 requests a week from groups wanting to do investigations there.  Even just the time it takes to handle the inquiries adds up.  If they did allow the investigations, you also have to factor in the amount of staff time it takes to interview the investigators to make sure that they aren&#8217;t just thrill seekers, do a reference check, and to set up the investigations.  Most places just don&#8217;t have the staffing to handle that.  Even the large historic theater I used to work at dreaded getting inquiries about doing paranormal investigations there because they simply did not have the manpower to cover the extra work it would cause them.  They did break down and compromise this past year by offering a ghost tour and classic horror movie package on Halloween for $20.</p>
<p>My experience is with the non-profit sector, but with the economy the way it is, it&#8217;s probably the same case in the for-profit sector.</p>
<p>If anyone wants more insight into why museums have the policies they do regarding paranormal research and how to work more effectively with them, I have a blog about that up at <a href="http://hauntedhistorycolumbus.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-to-work-with-museums.html" rel="nofollow">http://hauntedhistorycolumbus.blogspot.com/2010/10/how-to-work-with-museums.html</a></p>
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		<dc:creator>iphone 5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 19:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am constantly wandering about the net nearly all of the evening and so I have a tendency to peruse quite a lot, which isnt generally a good matter as a large amount of the sites I find are constructed of unproductive garbage copied from other internet websites a zillion times, but I gotta give you props this webpage is in actual fact enjoyable and even has a bit of genuine content, for that reason thank you for smashing the pattern of just duplicating other folks&#039; blogs  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am constantly wandering about the net nearly all of the evening and so I have a tendency to peruse quite a lot, which isnt generally a good matter as a large amount of the sites I find are constructed of unproductive garbage copied from other internet websites a zillion times, but I gotta give you props this webpage is in actual fact enjoyable and even has a bit of genuine content, for that reason thank you for smashing the pattern of just duplicating other folks&#8217; blogs  <img src='http://hollowhill.com/ghosthunting/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Fiona Broome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona Broome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KGB,

Your username -- which may or may not reference &lt;em&gt;Komitet gosudarstvennoy bezopasnosti&lt;/em&gt; (the former Russian Committee for State Security) -- was enough to set off my alarms.   

Don&#039;t use HollowHill.com for your arguments with a third party.

You said, &quot;BY the way website monitor the posting by &#039;scamwatch&#039; is slanderous AND erroneous.&quot;

That sentence makes no sense.  In addition, your use of the word &quot;slanderous&quot; is erroneous.  Slander is a malicious, false, and defamatory &lt;em&gt;spoken&lt;/em&gt; statement or report.  If you use legal phrases like &quot;cease and desist,&quot; at least be consistent; you lose credibility by using the word &quot;slander&quot; when you mean &quot;libel.&quot;

You also said, &quot;If the post is not taken down legal action will be pursued . This is a fact.&quot;

That&#039;s redundant; most people assume that a statement is a fact.

However, I will &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; take down my post.  It names no one and never has.  It simply explains how to conduct research to identify possible scams and con artists.  There is nothing illegal about that, and threatening me with a &quot;cease and desist&quot; order makes me wonder what you&#039;re hiding.

If, in your comments, you were actually referring to the reader&#039;s &lt;em&gt;comment,&lt;/em&gt; that&#039;s another matter. I have deleted most of &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; comment because I will &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; allow Hollow Hill to be used for juvenile bickering and accusations of any kind.

Ms. Gilbert, &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; future comments by you and your family will be deleted.  In addition, all comments containing the Gilbert name are now sent directly to this site&#039;s spam folder for deletion, unread.  Relevant emails are being flagged.

If this harassment continues, I will contact the Hayward, Oakland and Capitola, California, police and district attorneys.  Your IP addresses have already been logged from this site and from Gilbert-related emails sent to me.

Ordinarily, I&#039;d delete the entire thread containing your comments.  However, I&#039;m leaving it online to make my point clear and expose your personal attacks: I do &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; tolerate this kind of childishness.  Legal action will be taken as necessary.  

Sincerely,
Fiona Broome
Portsmouth, NH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KGB,</p>
<p>Your username &#8212; which may or may not reference <em>Komitet gosudarstvennoy bezopasnosti</em> (the former Russian Committee for State Security) &#8212; was enough to set off my alarms.   </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t use HollowHill.com for your arguments with a third party.</p>
<p>You said, &#8220;BY the way website monitor the posting by &#8216;scamwatch&#8217; is slanderous AND erroneous.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sentence makes no sense.  In addition, your use of the word &#8220;slanderous&#8221; is erroneous.  Slander is a malicious, false, and defamatory <em>spoken</em> statement or report.  If you use legal phrases like &#8220;cease and desist,&#8221; at least be consistent; you lose credibility by using the word &#8220;slander&#8221; when you mean &#8220;libel.&#8221;</p>
<p>You also said, &#8220;If the post is not taken down legal action will be pursued . This is a fact.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s redundant; most people assume that a statement is a fact.</p>
<p>However, I will <em>not</em> take down my post.  It names no one and never has.  It simply explains how to conduct research to identify possible scams and con artists.  There is nothing illegal about that, and threatening me with a &#8220;cease and desist&#8221; order makes me wonder what you&#8217;re hiding.</p>
<p>If, in your comments, you were actually referring to the reader&#8217;s <em>comment,</em> that&#8217;s another matter. I have deleted most of <em>that</em> comment because I will <em>not</em> allow Hollow Hill to be used for juvenile bickering and accusations of any kind.</p>
<p>Ms. Gilbert, <em>all</em> future comments by you and your family will be deleted.  In addition, all comments containing the Gilbert name are now sent directly to this site&#8217;s spam folder for deletion, unread.  Relevant emails are being flagged.</p>
<p>If this harassment continues, I will contact the Hayward, Oakland and Capitola, California, police and district attorneys.  Your IP addresses have already been logged from this site and from Gilbert-related emails sent to me.</p>
<p>Ordinarily, I&#8217;d delete the entire thread containing your comments.  However, I&#8217;m leaving it online to make my point clear and expose your personal attacks: I do <em>not</em> tolerate this kind of childishness.  Legal action will be taken as necessary.  </p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Fiona Broome<br />
Portsmouth, NH</p>
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		<title>By: KGB</title>
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		<dc:creator>KGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 04:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BY the way website monitor the posting by&quot;scamwatch &quot; is slanderous AND erroneous. If the post is not taken down legal action will be pursued . This is a fact. You have allowed a malicious comment to be posted. Cease and desist warning is herby posted. I hope you have the dignity to delete the postings immediately. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BY the way website monitor the posting by&#8221;scamwatch &#8221; is slanderous AND erroneous. If the post is not taken down legal action will be pursued . This is a fact. You have allowed a malicious comment to be posted. Cease and desist warning is herby posted. I hope you have the dignity to delete the postings immediately. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.</p>
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		<title>By: KGB</title>
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		<dc:creator>KGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 04:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Name deleted by webmaster] strikes again trolling the web at night and posting erroneous postings about her estranged family members.. Jennifer Gilbert -Soto is the latest victim. Shame on you [name deleted by webmaster] for continuing this hateful an pathetic attack on the web.   Move on with your life...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Name deleted by webmaster] strikes again trolling the web at night and posting erroneous postings about her estranged family members.. Jennifer Gilbert -Soto is the latest victim. Shame on you [name deleted by webmaster] for continuing this hateful an pathetic attack on the web.   Move on with your life&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wait a Minute&#8230; &#124; Fiona Broome&#039;s Diary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wait a Minute&#8230; &#124; Fiona Broome&#039;s Diary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#039;ve become enough of a celebrity to find myself elbow-to-elbow with con artists, child molesters, and plagiarists, all of whom seem incensed when I mention that their respective [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#039;ve become enough of a celebrity to find myself elbow-to-elbow with con artists, child molesters, and plagiarists, all of whom seem incensed when I mention that their respective [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona Broome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fiona Broome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 11:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scamwatch,

Generally, I avoid naming anyone in particular, and I don&#039;t know anything about Ms. Gilbert-Soto or Gilbert Enterprises. 

I encourage people to conduct their own research, ignoring bias or what others say, and &lt;em&gt;verify the individual&#039;s actual claims.&lt;/em&gt;  That&#039;s where any lies are, and -- ultimately -- the basis on which to decide if the person is trustworthy.

Sincerely,
Fiona</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scamwatch,</p>
<p>Generally, I avoid naming anyone in particular, and I don&#8217;t know anything about Ms. Gilbert-Soto or Gilbert Enterprises. </p>
<p>I encourage people to conduct their own research, ignoring bias or what others say, and <em>verify the individual&#8217;s actual claims.</em>  That&#8217;s where any lies are, and &#8212; ultimately &#8212; the basis on which to decide if the person is trustworthy.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Fiona</p>
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		<title>By: scamwatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>scamwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 06:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer Gilbert-Soto’s Education
Golden Gate University 
2000 — 2003   PLEASE check this person out! 

[Remainder of comment removed.  See my comment after the &quot;KGB&quot; comments.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer Gilbert-Soto’s Education<br />
Golden Gate University<br />
2000 — 2003   PLEASE check this person out! </p>
<p>[Remainder of comment removed.  See my comment after the "KGB" comments.]</p>
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